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Leapfrogging to Leadership: Abu Dhabi Global Market’s Richard Teng

Matthew Van Buskirk

In financial innovation, we sometimes see the world turn upside down. What used to be disadvantage, becomes advantage. What once seemed like assets, become liabilities. The “new” somehow becomes better than the old, even where the old has seemed like a standard to which everyone should aspire.

This insight underlies the work of today’s guest. Richard Teng is CEO of the Financial Services Regulatory Authority of the Abu Dhabi Global Market. 

Four years ago, the ADGM launched a bid to become the fintech hub of the MENA region -- the Middle East and Northern Africa. Their goal is to attract financial innovators from all over the world, with two enticements.

One is an enormous, young, growing market. Richard says that by 2050, this part of the world will account for 50 percent of global population growth. It contains 1.6 billion people, nearly half of whom are under the age of 25. Huge numbers of them are underserved or unserved by traditional financial services. That opens incredible opportunities for rapidly reaching scale, for companies that serve these consumers through new technology that can remake the cost and pricing structure of the industry.

The second attraction is to offer a modernized regulatory environment that supports innovation.

This insight is counterintuitive to many, but financial regulators throughout the developing world are rapidly moving to build 21st-century regulatory models that, instead of replicating the legacy design in the advanced economies, can leapfrog them. Since many of these regulators are not deeply invested in older technology, they have a chance to deploy newer, better tech, from scratch.

Richard notes that in many markets, the mental models of the system are stuck in physical infrastructure, making it much more difficult for fintechs to transform the whole value chain. In those economies, fintechs end up working alongside banks under entrenched infrastructure that make transformation take much longer. In emerging markets, in contrast, the rules are less defined and innovators can more readily transform the entire landscape. 

Richard and I had our conversation on the sidelines at Money 2020 in Las Vegas last fall -- and he also spoke there at the regulator meetup. As we talked, he painted the picture of what’s happening in Abu Dhabi and the region. He shares how much VC capital is being raised by fintechs, how much investment is coming from regional governments, and how all three sectors are reinforcing each others’ efforts. 

He also describes ADGM’s 3 year old regulatory sandbox, which is now called a regulatory laboratory and which has become the second most active sandbox in the world. It focuses heavily on the needs of underserved consumers and takes a blank sheet approach -- Richard explains the criteria for participating, what each sandbox company must be able to prove, and  how ADGM designs testing and a safe control environment for each one.

He also notes that ADGM has created the region’s first digital banking license, and also a comprehensive crypto-exchange regime. They are the first regulator in the region to issue crypto guidance, robo-advisory guidance, and other cutting edge strategies that have attracted many crypto exchanges that were unable to find workable risk frameworks elsewhere.

We also, of course, discussed the risks of all this regulatory innovation. Richard shares his thoughts on the need for much more domestic and international regulatory collaboration; for assuring that regulators have the right expertise and resources (ADGM brings in experts from all over the world); the extensive hand-holding they do with startups on challenges like cyber-security; and much more.

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More on Richard 

Richard Teng is the CEO of the Financial Services Regulatory Authority (FSRA) of Abu Dhabi Global Market (ADGM), an award-winning International Financial Centre (IFC) in Abu Dhabi. Richard spearheaded the establishment of the financial regulations and financial centre, leading up to the successful launch of ADGM in October 2015.  He oversees the whole spectrum of financial services spanning the banking, insurance and capital market sectors with integrated prudential and conduct supervisory responsibilities. He also leads several innovative ecosystem initiatives and the development of financial services offerings in Abu Dhabi.   

With over 20 years of regulatory leadership and financial sector development experience, Richard is known for thought leadership on financial regulations, FinTech regulations, Belt & Road developments and governance. Prior to ADGM, he was the Chief Regulatory Officer of Singapore Exchange and was Director of Corporate Finance, Monetary Authority of Singapore. 

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Remember to leave us a five-star rating on your favorite podcast platform so we can help more listeners find us. Please subscribe to Barefoot Innovation -- our newsletter, podcast, and updates, donate to keeping the show going, and follow me on Twitter, LinkedIn, and Facebook. You can also visit AIR to learn about the Alliance for Innovative Regulation and the exciting work we are doing in the Regtech space.

We have wonderful episodes in the queue. 

First, we have really thought-provoking shows coming up with two heads of US bank regulatory agencies:  Comptroller of the Currency, Joseph Otting, and FDIC Chairman Jelena McWilliams. We have a show with Jeff Dyer about his book, Innovation Capital.  We have a conversation with Ellison Anne Williams of Enveil. We have a fascinating discussion with Greg Becker, CEO of Silicon Valley Bank, and one with David Reiling, CEO of Sunrise Banks. And, soon I’ll be speaking with Sarah Willis of the Metlife Foundation and Allie Burns, CEO of the nonprofit Village Capital. 

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Congress’ Physicist: House AI Task Force Chair Rep. Bill Foster

Jo Ann Barefoot

We have the perfect show to kick off the new year and new decade in 2020. This is one of the most interesting conversations we’ve ever had, in our hundred-plus episodes of Barefoot Innovation.

My very special guest is Congressman Bill Foster, who represents the 11th District of Illinois. He is a member of the House of Representatives Committee on Financial Services, and was appointed by Committee Chair Maxine Waters to lead the special task force she set up to examine how artificial intelligence will transform finance.

And, maybe better yet, he is Congress’ one and only PhD physicist (you’ll enjoy hearing his list of credentials). As he explains in today’s show, he went from working on theatrical stage lighting, to high energy particle physics, to politics -- in our talk, he shares the inspiring family story of what prompted him to enter public service.

Part of our conversation covered the issues being explored by the Task Force. As he notes, banks today realize they have five or ten years to turn themselves into tech firms, and the tech firms meanwhile will be coming into finance, and the technology is going to transform everything, for everyone. Congress and the regulators will have their hands full, keeping up.

One example is in digital identity, where bad actors are taking AI to a new level for hacking, using phishing messages that mimic the actual voice of someone in the target’s own company. We discussed the fact that criminal capabilities are only going to get stronger, and what can be done about it. 

He is fascinating in talking about algorithmic bias. Should we allow consideration of customers’ behaviors in evaluating them for loans? How should we handle the dilemma that there will inevitably be situations where adopting AI would benefit everyone, but would benefit some people more than others? I suspect the Congressman is one of the few people in that policy discussion who can talk about whether the Gram-Schmidt Process could solve this, and how hard it is to apply.

We talked about whether policymakers could issue a set of AI standards, preferably as an open source tool, and require AI programmers to satisfy it -- and how to prevent people from gaming that approach.

We talked about the fact that AI needs access to huge data sets, which can give a strategic advantage to countries like China over countries with stringent privacy laws.

We discussed many other things -- American competitiveness, community banks, growing societal fear of technology, how to offset adverse impacts on jobs and on wealth concentration, and much more. 

Congressman Foster also co-chairs the bipartisan National Laboratories Caucus, which means he spends a lot of his time exposing members of congress to science. He estimates that half of American economic growth since the 1950s grew out of technology developed through federally-funded research.

I love talking with people who “cross the lines” -- who transcend the silos and straddle multiple realms of knowledge. Congressman Bill Foster, the scientist politician, is one of the most thoughtful and thought-provoking guests we’ve ever had on the show. I know you’ll enjoy our conversation.

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More on Bill Foster

Rep. Bill Foster is a scientist and a businessman representing the 11th Congressional District of Illinois. Before serving in Congress, he spent 24 years as a high-energy particle physicist at Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory in Illinois. Bill's business career began at age 19 when he and his younger brother co-founded Electronic Theatre Controls, Inc., a company that now manufactures over half of the theater lighting equipment in the United States.

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We have wonderful episodes in the queue. We have a show with Jeff Dyer of BYU about his book, Innovation Capital.  We recorded a show at Money 2020 with Richard Teng of Abu Dhabi Global Market. We also recorded at the Singapore Fintech Festival in November with Ellison Anne Williams of Enveil. We have a fascinating conversation with Greg Becker, CEO of Silicon Valley Bank, and one with David Reiling, CEO of Sunrise Banks. I’ll speak with Sarah Willis of the Metlife Foundation and Allie Burns, CEO of the nonprofit Village Capital. 

And I’m excited to share we have shows coming up soon with Chairman Jelena McWilliams of the FDIC and Comptroller of the Currency, Joseph Otting.

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Until next time, keep innovating!

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The views and opinions expressed during the Barefoot Innovation podcast series are solely those of the individuals involved and do not necessarily represent those of Barefoot Innovation Group and its employees. Barefoot Innovation Group does not verify for accuracy the information contained in the podcast series. The primary purpose of this podcast series is to educate and inform.



The Future of Work: Joust CEO Lamine Zarrad

Jo Ann Barefoot

Today’s guest is Lamine Zarrad, co-founder and CEO of Joust.

I love this episode because it weaves together so many of our favorite themes on Barefoot Innovation. Lamine tells the story of his very unusual childhood as a refugee from the Soviet Union whose family fled with just the clothes on their backs. He describes making it to the United States and then traveling a path that has been almost as unusual, including serving in the Marines and US intelligence, working on Wall Street, being a banker in Texas, starting several tech firms and -- my favorite -- being a National Bank Examiner at the Comptroller of the Currency (where I was once Deputy Comptroller). This rich mix of experience brought him to some powerful insights, which in turn led to the founding of Joust,

Joust is a platform that’s making financial management easy for independent professionals. 

Lamine believes we’re moving to a new economy built around small enterprises, rather than big ones. He echoes the thinking that’s being offered by Hemant Taneja in his important book Unscaled. The argument is that 20th-century industrialization rewards scale -- big, centralized, hierarchical organizations. Today’s technology, especially artificial intelligence, is undoing that. Instead, it’s going to reward small enterprises that can excel in targeted products and markets, which will be able to achieve scale not by centralizing, but rather by attaching to platforms that make the scale available, whether it’s for managing the enterprise or serving customers.

(That, of course, will raise a different challenge, which is how to manage the centralized power of the new platforms -- but we’ll leave that for another day.)

Joust is betting that this is the future -- the gig economy, with most people being entrepreneurs. That, in turn, will profoundly change the nature of the workforce and the structure of labor. Lamine thoughtfully walks us through his vision about the questions this will raise, the principles to hold to, how people will protect themselves and be protected by the government, and much more.

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More on Lamine

Lamine Zarrad is the co-founder and CEO of Joust. He began his entrepreneurial journey as a refugee, going on to serve in the U.S. Marines, and then building expertise around banking regulations and financial services. With Joust, Lamine combines his passion for inclusion with his banking skills to create the nation’s first, all-inclusive banking services app for freelancers, entrepreneurs, and the self-employed.

 Understanding the struggles of his audience, Lamine and the Joust team also created the first-ever invoice guarantee product, PayArmour, giving users the option to receive same-day funding for their unpaid invoices. 

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We have wonderful episodes in the queue. We will have a remarkable conversation with Congressman Bill Foster, who chairs the House of Representatives Task Force on AI. We have a show with Jeff Dyer of BYU about his book, Innovation Capital.  We recorded a show at Money 2020 with Richard Teng of Abu Dhabi Global Market. We have a fascinating conversation with Greg Becker, CEO of Silicon Valley Bank, and one with David Reiling, CEO of Sunrise Banks. And I’m excited to say we’ll have several shows with heads of US federal regulatory agencies, coming up in the New Year.

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The Central Bank of the Future

Jo Ann Barefoot

Today’s show is a bonus episode, giving a glimpse of an important project that’s underway. The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation have funded an initiative to think through the future of central banks and how they will, and should, advance the goal of financial inclusion. To lead the work, the foundation selected two leading thinkers in the space. Michael Barr is the Dean of the Gerald R. Ford School of Public Policy at the University of Michigan. He was previously Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Financial Institutions, in addition to being a law professor (I’ll link in the show notes to our earlier episode with him). Adrienne Harris is a professor at the Ford School and a former Special Assistant to President Obama for Economic Policy at the National Economic Council in the Obama White House. They have teamed up to undertake a deep reimagining of central banks, decades and even a half century out.

In pursuit of this effort, they convened a remarkable conference this fall on the University of Michigan campus. For me, this was an extra delight since my undergraduate degree is from Michigan-- there’s nothing like Ann Arbor in the fall.

The conference brought one of the most diverse ensembles of global leaders I’ve ever seen. We had central bankers from all over the world, other financial regulators, academics, policy experts, and think tanks. The group spent a day and a half grappling with questions that most of us never think to ask, much less try to answer, as we toil away in the “weeds” of our work, so rarely rising up to take in the enormous forest around us.

In that vein, step back and think about the core idea here. The Gates Foundation’s work in financial services focuses solely on building financial inclusion in the developing world. So, why have they put a top priority to work on modernizing financial regulation and central banks? Many people don’t find that to be an intuitive link. If you ponder it, though, you can see that we’ll never get high quality financial services to everyone, unless we modernize the regulatory system. The heart of that problem is that financial regulation is expensive, and compliance with regulation is expensive. Developing countries won’t have the resources to bring hundreds of millions of lower income people into the system, rapidly, unless they leverage technology to do more with less. And financial companies won’t serve these customers, despite being able to reach them inexpensively through the mobile phone as a delivery channel, unless they can cut their compliance costs. At the conference, the Gates Foundation’s Michael Wiegand (I’ll link to our past show with Michael in the show notes) gave an example. Today, it costs $30 to do the Know Your Customer, or KYC diligence, in order to onboard a financial customer in compliance with all the regulatory requirements, especially the rules, on anti-money laundering. With new technology, we can get this down to 6 cents. That makes it profitable to serve vastly more people. Regulators will need new tools like these -- better data, AI, chatbots, and much more -- to oversee a system changing so rapidly, both to keep it stable and to protect consumers.

I’m sharing this short conversation to whet our listeners’ appetite. The project will produce its work by January of 2021, and we’ll do a full show on it then.

Meanwhile, I’ll let Michael and Adrienne tell you about the project and about their remarkable conference.

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Transcript

Videos: Central Bank of the Future Conference

Central Bank of the Future Call for Papers & Proposals

Gerald R. Ford School of Public Policy

Barefoot Innovation past podcast with Michael Barr

More on Michael:

Michael S. Barr is the Joan and Sanford Weill Dean of Public Policy at the Gerald R. Ford School; the Frank Murphy Collegiate Professor of Public Policy; the Roy F. and Jean Humphrey Proffitt Professor of Law; and Faculty Director of the Center on Finance, Law, and Policy at the University of Michigan. He is also a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress and, previously, at the Brookings Institution. He served from 2009-2010 as the U.S. Department of the Treasury’s Assistant Secretary for Financial Institutions, and was a key architect of the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act of 2010. He received his J.D. from Yale Law School; an M. Phil in International Relations from Magdalen College, Oxford University, as a Rhodes Scholar; and his B.A., summa cum laude, with Honors in History, from Yale University.

More on Adrienne:

Adrienne Harris is the Chief Business Development Officer and General Counsel of insure-tech company States Title, Inc. She previously served as Special Assistant for Economic Policy to President Obama at the White House National Economic Council, focusing on issues including financial reform, financial technology, and housing finance reform. Adrienne also served as Senior Advisor to the Deputy Secretary in the U.S. Department of Treasury, and represented financial institutions and other corporations as an Associate at the law firm Sullivan & Cromwell LLP.  She sits on the Board of Directors for the Center for Financial Services Innovation (CFSI), as well as on the Advisory Board of Bank Director’s FinXTech. She was appointed by President Obama for a four-year term to the President’s Advisory Committee on Trade Policy and Negotiations. She advises and invests in several fintechs globally.

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Remember to leave us a five-star rating on your favorite podcast platform so we can help more listeners find the show. I hope you’ll also subscribe to Barefoot Innovation -- our newsletter, podcast and updates, and to donate to keep the show going. And please follow me on Twitter, LinkedIn, and Facebook.

We have great episodes coming up. We will have a fascinating conversation with Congressman Bill Foster, who chairs the House of Representatives Task Force on AI -- and who, by the way, is a physicist. I talked with Lamine Zarrad, CEO of Joust. We have a show with Jeff Dyer of BYU about his book, Innovation Capital. We recorded a show at Money 2020 with Richard Teng of Abu Dhabi Global Market. We have one with Greg Becker, CEO of Silicon Valley Bank, and one with David Reiling, CEO of Sunrise Banks. And I’m excited to say we’ll have several shows with heads of US federal regulatory agencies.

In December I’ll be at the ABA Financial Crimes conference in Washington, sharing the stage on AI with Gene Ludwig and Gary Shiffman. And then I’ll be at the Paris Fintech Forum in January. Meanwhile, my AIR colleague David Ehrich will be at the FDATA meeting in Edinburgh, Scotland.

Come to the show notes for more details on all of it, and David and I will hope to see you along the way!

Remember, if you would like to book me to speak to your group, contact jay@provokemanagement.com.

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The Long Game: Talking Financial Inclusion with CGAP CEO Greta Bull

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One of the joys of my work is the chance to tap into the genius of the global movement to expand financial inclusion. I honestly was barely aware of this community until about five years ago. Now, it shapes what I do every day. 

Today’s guest leads one of the most important institutions in that movement. She is Greta Bull, a director of the World Bank and CEO of CGap, the Consultative Group to Assist the Poor.

We’ve talked on previous shows about the World Bank creating its Global Findex metrics on financial access and setting the goal that every adult on earth should have a bank account by 2020. As of now, about 1.7 billion people still lack transaction accounts at a bank or mobile provider, but hundreds of millions of people have been brought into the system. The percentage with access has risen from about 51% to 69% -- stunning progress. This progress has become possible because people can now be served inexpensively through a mobile phone rather than through an expensive branch. Making it happen, though, is the work of a large network of people and organizations, including the World Bank and CGap, the UN, the Gates Foundation, the Alliance for Financial Inclusion, the International Telecommunications Union, the Netherlands’ Queen Maxima, who is the UN Special Advocate for global financial inclusion, and many more. One of the most impactful players is the Omidyar Network and its affiliate, Flourish Ventures, which backs most of my own work, including our new nonprofit, AIR.

In our conversation, Greta describes the progress and also the daunting work ahead. She talks about challenges in cyber-security. She talks about interoperability -- how to address fragmentation within and between markets, since digital finance is all about scale. She explains the role of e-commerce in driving change in various parts of the world. She talks about the potential role of big tech firms, their strengths in leveraging data, and the challenge of working with financial systems that have an analog-to-digital interface. She talks about the need to help people become financially resilient, so that they can weather shocks without falling so far backwards that they can’t recover. She explains where we are in solving the gender gap in financial access, which continues to be very high.

She also shares insights on how to win what she calls “the long game” ahead, tackling everything from building coalitions to building tech stacks to -- our favorite on Barefoot Innovation -- how to craft the needed environment for financial regulation and supervision. I’ve always found it fascinating that the people who are driving global financial inclusion have made regulatory modernization one of their top priorities. As hundreds of millions of new people come into the financial system, we’ll need more scalable regulatory models than we have today, in order to absorb the expansion smoothly, managing the inevitable risks and being careful not to choke off desirable innovation by accident.

One note for our US listeners. I find that looking at the innovation and financial inclusion models emerging in the developing world offer invaluable lessons for economies like ours. We have higher levels of financial inclusion, but we still have tens of millions of people who can’t connect to the mainstream financial system enough to have thriving financial lives. The emerging economies are leapfrogging us in much of this, because they had much earlier, ubiquitous adoption of mobile phones. They’re also leapfrogging us in some of their thinking about how one would build a financial regulatory system today, if we were starting from scratch with new technology rather than trying to update a highly entrenched legacy system. Lots of food for thought!

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More on Greta:

Greta Bull is the CEO of CGAP and a director at the World Bank Group. She has 18 years of experience in development finance, primarily focused on small and medium enterprise finance, microfinance, and digital financial services. She has worked with both financial services providers and policy makers in Latin America, Central and Eastern Europe, Sub-Saharan Africa, and South Asia. Her clients have included banks, microfinance institutions, mobile network operators, and FinTechs.

Before joining CGAP, Greta was a manager for Financial Institutions Advisory Services at the International Finance Corporation. Other career highlights include serving as director of the Finance, Banking and Enterprise Division at DAI Europe and holding senior-level positions at the Eurasia Foundation.

Greta has a Master’s degree in Public Policy from Harvard University’s John F. Kennedy School of Government and an undergraduate degree in International Studies from the University of Washington.



More on CGAP:

CGAP is a global partnership of more than 30 leading development organizations that works to advance the lives of poor people through financial inclusion. Using action-oriented research, we test, learn and share knowledge intended to help build inclusive and responsible financial systems that move people out of poverty, protect their economic gains and advance broader development goals. We research and experiment to achieve proof of concept and extract lessons that can be built to scale by our partners, who apply our insights in the marketplace. 

Globally, about 1.7 billion people have no financial account -- at a bank, mobile money provider or other formal institution. Even when they have accounts, poor people often find them of little value and leave them unused. The result is that roughly one in three of the world’s adult population lacks the financial services they could use to dramatically improve their lives. They have no savings for a child’s education; they cannot access loans to buy seeds and fertilizers; and they have no insurance to protect them from medical or natural disasters.

A growing body of financial inclusion research shows that when poor people have better opportunities for how to manage their money, over time their income and consumption improve. In Kenya, women-headed households with access to mobile money services increased their savings by more than a fifth. In Malawi, farmers with earnings deposited into a savings account spent 13 percent more on farm equipment and their crop values rose by 15 percent. The evidence is building that financial inclusion is a key enabler for reducing poverty, and for achieving the United Nations’ Sustainable Development Goals of improved education, better health, food security, access to clean water and more.



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Remember to leave us a five-star rating on your favorite podcast platform so we can help more listeners find the show. I hope you’ll also subscribe to Barefoot Innovation -- our newsletter, podcast and updates, and to donate to keep the show going. And please follow me on Twitter, LinkedIn, and Facebook.

We have great episodes coming up. We will have a fascinating conversation with Congressman Bill Foster, who chairs the House of Representatives Task Force on AI -- and who, by the way, is a physicist.  We have one on the Gates Foundation project on the Future of the Central Bank, with Michael Barr and Adrienne Harris. I talked with Lamine Zarrad, CEO of Joust. We have a show with Jeff Dyer of BYU about his book, Innovation Capital.  We recorded a show at Money 2020 with Richard Teng of Abu Dhabi Global Market. We have one with Greg Becker, CEO of Silicon Valley Bank, and one with David Reiling, CEO of Sunrise Banks. We’ll have one with Samantha Emery of the UK Financial Conduct Authority. And I’m excited to say we’ll have several shows with heads of US federal regulatory agencies.

Meanwhile, my “world tour” has been busy. I was in Abu Dhabi, and then in Las Vegas for Money 2020, and then in Tokyo for the Honest Conference on AI for Regtech and a range of meetings, and then Singapore for the amazing Fintech Festival of the Monetary Authority of Singapore. The Singapore event attracted over 60,000 people this year! One of my friends noted that it looked like 30,000 were under the age of 35. Times are changing!

In December I’ll be at the ABA Financial Crimes conference in Washington, sharing the stage on AI with Gene Ludwig and Gary Shiffman. And then I’ll be at the Paris Fintech Forum in January. Meanwhile, my AIR colleague David Ehrich will be at the FDATA meeting in Edinburgh, Scotland.

Come to the show notes for more details on all of it, and David and I will hope to see you along the way!

Remember, if you would like to book me to speak to your group, contact jay@provokemanagement.com.

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Decentralized Identity: Civic CEO Vinny Lingham

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Today’s show zeroes in on the most foundational question facing us all, not only in financial innovation but in our whole new world of ubiquitous data. That challenge is, how can we gain the benefits of this huge new universe of digital information, and at the same time, prevent it from hurting us. My very thoughtful guest on this dilemma is Vinny Lingham, CEO of Civic Technologies.

Vinny’s story is fascinating. A star on Shark Tank South Africa, he immigrated from that country to Silicon Valley about a decade ago. In the US he founded and built successful startups in the payments space, and then launched Civic to develop blockchain solutions for the burgeoning problem of online identity fraud. That effort brought him to focusing on new technologies for identity verification, such as zero-knowledge proof. It also brought him to a philosophy about identity and personal data, which is that we need a decentralized system in which our data is controlled not by governments or companies, but by us.

As our regular listeners know, zero-knowledge proof is one of several emerging tools that fall under the banner of Privacy-Enhancing Technologies, or PET’s. These were the main focus of last summer’s Financial Conduct Authority tech sprint on anti-money laundering in London (the one that my new nonprofit, AIR, helped with by organizing a Washington DC satellite site, which we talked about recently in our 100th episode). The FCA sprint -- a regulatory hackathon -- explored the question of whether PET’s could enable widespread sharing of information to combat financial crime by finding data typologies, while keeping personal data private. AML is a specific use case for this, but as Vinny explains, the same tools offer potential solutions across the spectrum of privacy challenges. Instead of handing our full credentials over to everyone who needs to verify something about us, we should be able instead to provide a simple, trusted electronic confirmation that we are who we claim to be, or that we are, say, old enough to buy alcohol. As an example, Vinney cites the fact that Civic can enable vending machines to dispense alcohol or tobacco in compliance with legal limits, with no human present to review the buyer’s identity information.

We covered some of these same topics on our show with Greg Kidd of globaliD and, in India, our show with Sanjay Jain

Digital identity, decentralized and controlled by the individual, could be the master key that unlocks solutions to a whole range of problems that look nearly unsolvable today. It could widen financial access by making it easy for companies to meet Know-Your-Customer requirements for AML. It could reduce vulnerability to hacking and cyber-insecurity, by not building centralized data “honey pots” that attract attackers -- because the information would be distributed over people’s own devices. It could reduce fraud and financial crime by making it much harder to steal people’s identifying information. And it could reduce misuse of information by companies that currently may collect, and use, more information than is needed to perform their service to the customer, and more than the customer wants them to have.

In our conversation, Vinny shares his thinking on these challenges, on what it takes to build this kind of company, and also on the key regulatory issues in the space.

I know you’ll enjoy my conversation with Civic CEO Vinny Lingham.

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https://twitter.com/VinnyLingham 

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BitGo's multisig technology

Onfido's AI-powered identity verification

Barefoot Innovation podcast with Greg Kidd

Barefoot Innovation podcast with Sanjay Jain 

 

More on Vinny:

Vinny Lingham is a well- recognized South African Internet entrepreneur who, among other things, is the star of Shark Tank in South Africa. He immigrated to California a decade ago and is now co-founder and CEO of Civic, a startup that is helping lead a global digital identity revolution. Civic is spearheading the development of an ecosystem that is designed to facilitate on-demand, secure, and low-cost access to identity verification services via the blockchain. 

Prior to Civic, Vinny was the co-founder and CEO of Gyft, a mobile gift card company that started in 2012 with backing from Google Ventures. Within 2 years, Gyft quickly become the leading player in the space and was acquired by global payments giant, First Data Corporation in 2014, for over $50m. 

Vinny is an active technology investor primarily in Silicon Valley, focusing on Bitcoin & Blockchain projects in particular. He also partnered with one of his previous co-founders to establish an investment fund in South Africa, called Newtown Partners, where he has led early stage investments into successful and notable startups such as Sweep South and Augmentors. Currently, Vinny is a Shark on Shark Tank South Africa, has also appeared as a Dragon on the South African edition of Dragon’s Den, the longest running UK investment reality show, along with being an "Angel" in the non-profit spinoff of Undercover Boss -- National Geographic's Undercover Angel. He is a co-author of “I’m In: Essential Advice for Entrepreneurs.” 

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Remember to leave us a five-star rating on your favorite podcast platform so we can help more listeners find the show. Also come to our website to subscribe to Barefoot Innovation -- our newsletter, podcast and updates, and to donate to keep the show going. And please follow me on Twitter, LinkedIn, and Facebook.

We have great episodes coming up. We will have a show with Greta Bull, who leads C-GAP for the World Bank. We recorded a show at the recent University of Michigan/Gates Foundation conference on the Future of the Central Bank, with Michael Barr and Adrienne Harris. I talked with Lamine Zarrad, CEO and Founder of the fintech startup Joust. I talked with Jeff Dyer of BYU about the book he most recently co-authored, Innovation Capital.  We recorded a show at Money 2020 with Richard Teng of Abu Dhabi Global Market.  And we have special shows coming up with several US regulatory agency heads and with Congressman Bill Foster.

Meanwhile my fall “world tour” for this year is well underway. I was in Abu Dhabi not long ago. Last week I was at Money 2020, which was spectacular. I think we had several hundred regulators there, for the first time, including three agency heads on the main stage -- be sure to come next year! 

Now I’m in Tokyo for the Honest Conference on AI for Regtech and a range of meetings. Next I’ll be heading on to Singapore in a few days for the amazing Fintech Festival of the Monetary Authority of Singapore, November 11-15. I may go to Rome later this month. In December I’ll be at the ABA Financial Crimes conference in Washington, sharing the stage on AI with Gene Ludwig and Gary Shiffman. And then I’ll be at the Paris Fintech Forum in January.

Having given up on cloning myself, I fortunately am now able to share this frantic speaking circuit with my colleague at AIR, David Ehrich. David will be serving as a judge at FINRA’s exciting Build-a-thon at MIT this month. He’ll be at the FDATA meeting in Edinburgh, Scotland. And he’ll also be speaking in New York at Source Media’s Regtech conference, which is always one of the best. Come to the show notes for more details on all of it, and David and I will hope to see you along the way!

Remember, if you’re interested in booking me to speak to your group, contact jay@provokemanagement.com.

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Reaching New Heights: The FCA’s Nick Cook and Francesca Hopwood Road

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I think this is my all-time favorite episode of Barefoot Innovation.

We have two guests. Nick Cook has been on the show twice before in his former role as head of regtech at the UK Financial Conduct Authority. He now leads the FCA’s newly-created division-level unit on innovation. I believe this model is unique in the world-- a financial regulatory agency establishing a high-level unit that, when staffed out, will have 200 people. Reporting to Nick are two groups. One is the group called Innovate, which includes the FCA’s famous regulatory sandbox. The second is the group on regtech and advanced analytics that Nick used to head, himself.

And my second guest is his successor in leading that regtech group -- Francesca Hopwood Road.

If you’re interested in regulatory innovation, today’s show may be the single most valuable source you can find on how to do it. Every minute is packed with both fresh information and rare insight about how regulators, themselves, will have to change to keep pace with changing technology.

In our conversation we explored two big topics. One is the creation of this new innovation division -- its mandate, how it’s structured, how it’s staffed, how it tackles problems, its plans and priorities, and especially the FCA’s hard-won learnings and advice about bringing a culture of innovation to a financial regulatory agency, despite the myriad constraints facing these leaders.

The second topic is this summer’s trans-Atlantic tech sprint on anti-money laundering. I told part of this extraordinary story in our 100th episode of Barefoot Innovation. For those who don’t know, the FCA invented the regulatory tech sprint several years ago. They got the idea of running hackathons and adapting the format to solving regulatory challenges. The heart of the concept is to bring together regulatory experts with software developers and let them organize themselves into small teams to work intensively for a short time, typically a few days. By the end, they have created actual software tools that can be demonstrated in a judged competition.

The one the FCA convened in July was its seventh and maybe most ambitious. They extended its reach by asking my new nonprofit, the Alliance for Innovative Regulation, or AIR, to run a parallel sprint in Washington, so that a large number of US regulators and other leaders could participate. As I explained in the 100th podcast, we achieved that goal. We had 65 US regulators involved during the course of four days, with much of the activity simulcast between London and Washington and with hundreds of people involved. We were fortunate in the US to have FDIC Chairman Jelena McWillliams as both the keynote speaker and a judge.

A quick note of follow up on the US sprint:  just this month we were able to take the five teams to meet with FinCEN Director Ken Blanco and his senior executives, as well as other agencies, to demonstrate both the solutions the teams developed and the power of the sprint format as a tool for innovation by regulators themselves. The issues they tackled ranged from facilitating secure sharing of data to detecting synthetic identities. As the teams demonstrated their solutions, they repeatedly expressed amazement at how much can be accomplished in regtech by joining up “tech” people and “reg” people for two-and-a-half days and merging their expertise. It’s a high-impact solution for one of the most urgent challenges facing regulators, namely to figure out how to accelerate their work to match the dizzying pace at which technology is evolving. Again, check out my 100th episode for more of that story.

In today’s podcast episode, Nick and Francesca tell the story of this same sprint from the London side. To get a feel for how unusual it was, watch this video they made for the occasion. They are excited that we collectively proved that the tech sprint format can scale to be multi-site and multi-country. And they are very excited about their results. 

For this sprint, the FCA undertook a very specific, and very ambitious goal:  exploring privacy-enhancing technologies, or PET’s, as an AML strategy. This focus arose out of a sprint they held last year, on which we did a Barefoot Innovation episode. The main outcome of that gathering was that we will never reverse today’s 99% failure rate in catching financial crime until the “good guys” can share data with each other more widely, so that they can detect the big patterns of crime -- which are increasingly global. For this year’s sprint, the rallying cry was, “It takes a network to defeat a network.” However, we also know we’ll never be able to share widely until we can find ways to keep financial transaction information confidential and safe, since the industry and law enforcement must protect the privacy of the people who use the banking system. The two don’t go together -- sharing and privacy -- which is why the criminals are winning -- the UN says financial crime now exceeds $1.6 trillion a year. 

Today, though, almost suddenly, we have a chance to solve that problem due to the emergence of the new PET’s. So that’s what the FCA tested in the London sprint.

I’ll leave it to Nick and Francesca to tell you how that worked. You’ll enjoy their insights on it, and on many other things. We talked about how to prevent “Phoenixing” and “cockroaching;”  about experimenting with regulatory chatbots; about building “predictive models of harm;” about the need to plan follow ups from tech sprints to capture what they build; and about their ideas for future tech sprints. One of these is to explore how to develop open regulatory code that can accelerate learning and sharing among regulators and with industry. Another is the potential for holding a sprint on how to develop synthetic data that all of us involved in regtech could safely use to test new ideas. 

These ideas are nothing short of visionary. I’ve said many times that the FCA is the leading regulator in the world on innovation. This is the fourth show we’ve done with them, and we’re planning another as well, with Samantha Emery, who heads the redesigned Innovate group and sandbox. We recorded today’s call by phone, but even with the distance between London and Washington, you can hear the power of this work in how they talk -- the unusual words they use and the tone of their voices. These leaders are hitting new heights in figuring out how regulators are going to keep up with the technology transformation underway in financial services. We should all listen and learn.

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More on Nick:

Nick is the first Director of the newly created Innovation division at the FCA. He is accountable for leading the FCA’s RegTech initiatives, its data and analytics strategy, machine learning endeavours, and Innovate activities (including regulatory sandbox, Global Financial Innovation Network, Green FinTech challenge, and direct support). Nick represents the FCA on the European Securities and Markets Authority’s (ESMA) Financial Innovation Standing Committee and is an advisor to the RegTech for Regulators Accelerator Programme (R2A). Nick joined the Financial Services Authority (the FCA’s predecessor) in 2009, initially in its Enforcement and Market Oversight Division. Prior to joining the regulator, Nick qualified as a chartered accountant at KPMG Forensic.

More on Francesca:

Francesca leads the FCA’s RegTech and Advanced Analytics function responsible for developing and embedding data science, machine learning and artificial intelligence tools and capability across the organisation. She also runs the FCA’s RegTech activities, including the FCA’s TechSprint events, the first of their kind convened by a financial regulator. Since joining the regulator in 2010 she has led a number of strategic transformation programmes. Prior to joining she worked in the third sector and private sector using data and intelligence to identify and mitigate harm for consumers.

Special announcements:

Before we hear them, two quick notes: The FDIC has extended the deadline for applying to become its Chief Innovation Officer, until October 31. This position is unique in the United States and has been designed by Chairman McWillliams to have transformational impact -- rapidly -- on how banks are supervised. She wants a tech person. It’s important work and believe me, it’s interesting.

Second, I’m recruiting for an Executive Assistant to work with us at AIR. Our work, too, is exciting and interesting. The information is here.

Also we will be officially launching AIR this month at Money 2020, so watch for upcoming information and events!

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We have great episodes coming up. We’ll talk with Vinny Lingham, co-founder and CEO of Civic -- an identity protection and management startup. We will have a show with Greta Bull, who leads C-GAP for the World Bank. And we recorded a show at the recent University of Michigan conference on the Future of the Central Bank. We sat down with the two people leading work on this for the Gates Foundation -- Michael Barr and Adrienne Harris. We also have two special shows coming up with US regulatory agency and one member of Congress.

I very much enjoyed speaking at two FFIEC conferences this fall -- I always love speaking to regulators, who have the hardest job in navigating the landscape we talk about on the show. 

And I’ll be at many industry gatherings in the coming weeks. Remember, if you’re interested in booking me to speak to your group, contact jay@provokemanagement.com.

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  • Online Lending Policy Summit, October 23, Washington, DC

  • Money 2020, October 27-30, Las Vegas, NV -- I’ll be chairing the regulatory track again this year and also keynoting it, on Tuesday. The main stage will feature a talk between FDIC Chairman Mc Williams and Comptroller of the Currency Joseph Otting. And I’ll be doing a main stage fireside chat with CFPB Director Kathy Kraninger. We’ll also have a regulator meetup that you won’t want to miss.

  • Honest Conference on AI for Regtech, November 6, Tokyo, Japan

  • The Fintech Festival of the Monetary Authority of Singapore, November 11-15, Singapore, Asia

  • Paris Fintech Forum, January 28-29, Paris, France

I will hope to see many of you there and to hear about how you are innovating to change financial services and financial regulation!

 
 
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Crossing Lines: Aspen’s Ida Rademacher and Prudential’s Jamie Kalamarides

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Today’s show is amazing on two levels. First, my guests, Ida Rademacher and Jamie Kalamarides, explain new frontiers of thinking about how financial services, including insurance and retirement funds, can promote real financial health and inclusion. 

And second, the whole conversation is permeated by a critical theme, an insight that needs to be elevated from the background to the foreground in every discussion of how to do better for financial consumers. That second theme is that we are going to have to break down the walls -- dismantle the siloes, get rid of the boxes, make connections, graft together hybrids -- across the ecosystem of finance, technology and regulation. 

Listening to these experts talk, you can almost see our current world -- labor markets, financial markets, the economy, consumer behaviors -- transforming out from under the rigid structures we now use to organize our industries and regulatory regimes. For decades, we’ve had slow-changing financial products that we regulate through a slow-changing (and ever-growing) set of laws and regulations. We have distinct legal and regulatory frameworks for banking and investment and insurance. We have old definitions of products, each subject to specific rules on how they should be designed and offered. Suddenly, today, many of these old structures are becoming obsolete. And, increasingly, we can see that many of them are actually standing in the way of better solutions for consumers.

My guests were modeling this connection concept themselves, in the very fact that they have teamed up --  a think tank and an insurance company -- to bring fresh ideas to consumer finance. They explored old, intractable problems that have long-plagued consumers, and also about new problems driven by changing technology, itself.  We talked about volatility of both income and expenses as a driving factor in many consumer financial problems. We talked about the need to create simple default choices for consumers, so that in areas like setting up a retirement plan, they enroll automatically in the options that will serve them best, and can opt out if they so choose, rather than having to opt in. We talked about how employers can advance consumer financial health by providing easier savings options and income-smoothing tools. We talked about the power of financial offerings that combine both high-touch personal service and great tech. We talked about what to do when private markets and innovation don’t solve the problems of consumers, including the need for public/private problem-solving models. We discussed the need for more diversity in the fintech industry, to be sure that the innovators at the table understand the needs of the consumers who will use their products. 

We also talked at length about how both regulations and industry practices should be updated to make things work better for consumers. In one example, we discussed the difficulty faced by employers that want to open savings accounts for employees due to the anti-money laundering know-your-customer requirements. This is an issue I also discussed in my recent Harvard papers on regulation innovation. We talked about the research of Brigitte Madrian, who was my faculty partner at Harvard on my innovation papers and a previous guest on Barefoot Innovation (she was the person who pointed me to the KYC problem). Brigitte is a leading scholar on behavioral economics that “nudges” consumers toward easy, beneficial choices. We also cited the Harvard papers of my friend Todd Baker, who was with me in the Kennedy School CBG Senior Fellows program and did important research on employers’ role in consumer financial health. We also cited the work of, and our past shows with, CFSI -- now rebranded as the Financial Health Network -- and the related work by Rachel Schneider, co-author of the Financial Diaries and expert on the issue of financial volatility. 

Ida and Jamie also highlighted the role of Flourish Ventures, formerly the Omidyar Network, in financing extensive work in this space, including most of my efforts. With seed backing from Flourish, I have launched the Alliance for Innovative Regulation, or AIR, to help modernize the regulatory system to solve these problems.

I think that, in nearly every point my guests made, they went back to the basic idea that we need new connections, fewer siloes, more fluidity as technology changes both finance and life. I’ve become convinced that this seemingly “soft” idea is actually the key to speeding up the whole sector, so that we can keep up with the exponential change in technology. It’s the core idea of the Aspen Institute (by the way, don’t miss the next Aspen Ideas Festival, where both of my guests were speakers this year shortly after we recorded this show). It’s also the core idea of my new nonprofit, AIR. And it’s going to be the secret to progress for everyone in the financial world. I have not heard anyone talk about it more eloquently than today’s guests.

I want to share two other two notes. First, the FDIC is recruiting for their first-ever Chief Innovation Officer. The agency’s Chairman, Jelena McWilliams, is a visionary leader who has set the goal of “transforming” how they supervise banks, during her term at the agency’s helm. This is the third time they have posted this position, because they’re looking for a very unusual person, someone who both deeply knows the tech world and, at the same time, is able -- and willing! -- to navigate inside the government. Maybe that’s a unicorn, but if so, they are trying to find one. To our listeners at tech companies and fintech and regtech firms -- the person who takes this job can change the world. And contrary to the stereotype that government is boring, the tech challenges in this role are fascinating. These government processes are a green field, largely untouched by great new technology, human-centered design, and the rest. Here is the job listing and also a cool new video the agency has made. As the saying goes, this is not your father’s FDIC!

Second, I myself am recruiting for an executive assistant. We too are changing the world.  It’s a fun job, interacting with fascinating people, making new connections, learning every day, building something impactful. You can work from home. Here is how to apply.

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The Aspen Institute

Twitter @aspeninstitute 

Twitter @kalamarides

Prudential

Barefoot Innovation Podcast: Harvard’s Brigitte Madrian on Saving for Retirement: “We are not making it easy” 

Barefoot Innovation Podcast: Real Lives: Rachel Schneider and the Financial Diaries 

The Secure Act

CNBC Article: What the Secure Act Would Mean For You 

Financial Health Network

Aspen Publication: A Dangerous Intersection? The Compounding Threats of Income Volatility and Retirement Insecurity

Prudential Publication: Disability Happens. Protect Your Income.

Prudential Publication: How the Shutdown Affected the Household Finances of Government Workers

Aspen Publication: Portable Non-Employer Retirement Benefits: An Approach to Expanding Coverage for a 21st Century Workforce

More on Ida

Ida Rademacher is Vice President at the Aspen Institute and Executive Director of the Aspen Institute Financial Security Program, a leading national voice on Americans’ financial health. Ida combines her expertise in economic inclusion research and policy with her reputation as a collaborative and creative thinker to raise up a national conversation and solutions set around financial inequality and financial instability. Ida and her team are building a cross-disciplinary community of leaders and change agents who, together, are deeply probing critical financial challenges facing U.S. households and shaping market and policy innovations that can improve the financial security and well-being of all Americans.

Ida was previously Chief Program Officer at Prosperity Now (formerly CFED), where she created the multi-institutional team that led the CFPB’s Consumer Financial Well-Being Metrics Project, and also led the creation of Upside Down, a program examining ways the U.S. income tax code generates disparate wealth-building opportunities and contributes to growing levels of wealth inequality. Earlier in her career Ida led research and evaluation projects at the Aspen Economic Opportunities Program and the Center for Behavioral and Evaluation Research at the Academy for Educational Development.

More on Jamie

Jamie Kalamarides is president of Prudential Group Insurance, a business unit of Prudential Financial, Inc., which manufactures and distributes a full range of group life, long-term and short-term disability and corporate and trust-owned life insurance in the U.S., serving institutional clients primarily for use within employee and membership benefit plans. Previously, Jamie served as head of Full Service Solutions and CEO of Prudential Bank & Trust, FSB, businesses within Prudential Retirement. He also is a director for Prosperity Now, a national not-for-profit that creates economic opportunity to alleviate poverty.

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We have great episodes coming up.  We got invaluable insights from Nick Cook and Francesca Hopwood Road, who head innovation and regtech at the UK Financial Conduct Authority. They talk about the FCA’s new and greatly expanded innovation program, as well as the AML tech sprint they ran in July, with which we collaborated to run a Washington site via our new nonprofit, AIR. We’ll talk with Vinny Lingham, co-founder and CEO of Civic -- an identity protection and management startup. We will have a show with Greta Bull, who leads C-GAP for the World Bank. And we have two special shows coming up with US regulatory agency heads...among others.

We’re into September, and that means my fall “world tour” has begun, starting with a fascinating trip to Abu Dhabi. I’ll also be in Japan and Singapore, among others. Here are some upcoming events where I’ll hope to see many of you. Remember, if you’re interested in booking me to speak to your group, contact jay@provokemanagement.com.

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A Bright Future for Small Business, with Karen Mills

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This is the second time I’ve sat down with Karen Mills for a conversation on Barefoot Innovation. Karen is a Senior Fellow at both the Harvard Business School and Harvard Kennedy School (where I got to know her), and previously was the head of the US Small Business Administration. She is also probably the foremost expert, and most eloquent voice, anywhere, on using technology to strengthen small business.

We got together, on a very rainy day on the Harvard campus, shortly after Karen published her newest book, Fintech, Small Business, and the American Dream. It’s the most definitive and thought-provoking work I have seen on today’s historic opportunity to develop a vastly better financial world for small businesses. Karen believes, as do I, that we are at a transformative moment.  

Half of the people employed in the United States work for a small business. (See our recent podcast with the founders of Kabbage for more statistics on the importance of small business to the economy and society). Unfortunately, Karen reports that small business formations in the US are slowing down, with no definitive answers as to why.  What we do know, however, is that a strong flow of new businesses is vital to growth, social mobility and enabling people to achieve the American dream. 

That’s where new technology comes in. In our talk, Karen explains the financial challenges that face small business owners. These entrepreneurs often have trouble qualifying for bank loans. They especially have trouble getting small loans. And many struggle with cash flow volatility --  seasonal markets and uneven flows of revenue and expenses. Under traditional lending metrics, this makes them risky as borrowers. In reality, though, the perceived risk is a mix of actual risk that they won’t repay a loan, plus a sizable measure of risk that is arising due to lack of information about them. Studying these businesses in depth takes a lot of time, using traditional tools, which means it’s not very profitable to lend to the smaller ones, or to extend smaller loans. When you add more information to the picture -- timely, detailed, low-cost information -- it turns out that a lot of them are actually good risks. It’s just hard for them to prove it.

Adding more information, and making it readily accessible and analyzable, of course, is exactly what new technology does, for everything. Lenders can now easily gather and analyze cash flow data, as well as big data reflecting the trends in the economy and markets and even weather, that may bear on a small company’s prospects. Gather more data, run it through machine-learning risk models, and do the loan origination and servicing online, and suddenly, a lot of lending becomes profitable. Karen’s book tells this story. 

Clearly, much of this future will depend on how well the regulatory environment adapts to the technology change. Policymakers will have to allow and enable innovation, while also anticipating and preventing problems.  In our conversation, Karen shares insights on the regulatory challenges, reaching far beyond the United States -- you’ll enjoy hearing her take on the financial reforms the UK undertook, following the financial crisis, and the food for thought she offers on potential models. 

If we do get the regulations right, Karen predicts a small business utopia, where all deserving small businesses have access to credit.

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Karen Gordon Mills served in President Obama's Cabinet as the Administrator of the U.S. Small Business Administration from 2009 until August 2013, a role in which she also served on the President’s National Economic Council. At SBA, she led a team of more than 3,000 employees and managed a loan guarantee portfolio of over $100 billion. At the height of the Great Recession, she took steps that led to record-breaking years for SBA lending and investments in growth capital. Additionally, Mills’ efforts helped small businesses create regional economic clusters, gain access to early-stage capital, boost exports, and tap into government and commercial supply chains. 

Mills is currently a Senior Fellow at both the Harvard Kennedy School and Harvard Business School, where she is part of the entrepreneurship faculty. She is a leading authority on U.S. competitiveness, entrepreneurship, and innovation. She is the author of the new book Fintech, Small Business & the American Dream, as well as a number of Harvard Business School white papers and publications. 

Mills is a venture capitalist and the Vice Chair of Envoy, an immigration services provider. She also serves in leadership roles for several policy organizations, including: Chair, Advisory Committee for the Private Capital Research Institute; Co-Chair, Bipartisan Policy Center’s Main Street Finance Task Force; Member, Council on Foreign Relations; and Director, National Bureau of Economic Research. She is a Member of the Harvard Corporation and a past Vice Chair of the Harvard Overseers.

Mills earned an AB in economics from Harvard University and an MBA from Harvard Business School, where she was a Baker Scholar. She is a recipient of the U.S. Department of the Navy’s Distinguished Public Service Award, and is a frequent guest on news outlets, including Bloomberg TV and CNBC, with recent op-ed placements in American Banker, Fortune, Forbes, The Hill, and Harvard Business Review.

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Remember to leave us a five-star rating on your favorite podcast platform so we can help more listeners find the show. Also come to our website to subscribe to Barefoot Innovation -- our newsletter, podcast and updates, and to donate to keeping the show going. And please follow me on Twitter, LinkedIn, and Facebook.

We have great episodes coming up. We recorded a fascinating talk with Ida Rademacher of the Aspen Institute alongside Jamie Kalamarides of Prudential.  We’ve also talked with Vinny Lingham, co-founder and CEO of Civic -- an identity protection and management startup. We will have a new show with Nick Cook, who heads innovation at the UK Financial Conduct Authority. We will have a show with Greta Bull, who leads C-GAP for the World Bank. And we have two special shows coming up with US regulatory agency heads...among others.

We’re into September, and that means my fall “world tour” will soon be happening. Plans are still taking shape, but I’ll be in some fascinating places. Here are some upcoming events where I’ll hope to see many of you. Remember, if you’re interested in booking me to speak to your group, contact jay@provokemanagement.com.

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Small Business Lending: Rob Frohwein and Kathryn Petralia of Kabbage

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In fintech’s early years, much of the innovation focused on consumers. The technologies, though, are equally potent for small business, and a few startups pioneered that space. Today’s guests have been at the forefront.

They are the cofounders of Kabbage -- CEO Rob Frohwein, and president Kathryn Petralia. We recorded our talk at this year’s LendIt conference, which set up a podcast studio right on the floor of the exhibit hall. We had a lively conversation there as hundreds of people came through to see the latest ideas in financial technology.

Small business owners have always tended to be underserved by traditional lenders, especially for smaller loans. That’s because it’s always been time-consuming and complex to underwrite them. Unlike consumer lending, the sector has lacked efficient, standardized credit scoring mechanisms. There is high variability among enterprises, so that it takes a lot of effort to understand their business models, markets, and risk factors. Often, business information is mixed with owners’ personal finances, which can further complicate analysis. New small businesses also have high failure rates, making careful underwriting critical. In addition, very small businesses often maintain their records in non-electronic form, making it hard to gather all the needed information and to analyze trends. (Happily this is changing, thanks in large part to Square inventing its mobile-phone based reader that turns mobile phones into point-of-sale checkout terminals and then feeds the information automatically into computerized records.) 

Traditionally, in short, it has taken as much work to underwrite a small loan as a large one. That means the profit margin on the former is low -- sometimes even negative. Banks and other traditional lenders have generally not been able to meet the needs at the low end of the scale.

That’s a problem for the businesses, of course, but it’s more than that. It’s a problem for the economy as well. Small businesses create 65 percent of all new jobs in the United States. Developing more efficient, accurate, accessible, affordable and transparent sources of financing can drive widespread wellbeing and growth.

Enter... Kabbage. In 2008, Rob and Kathryn realized that new technology could transform this space. Specifically, they saw that APIs were making it possible for businesses to allow access to information in their financial accounts to third parties from which the company wanted services. A lender like Kabbage can efficiently evaluate the business’ situation, including inflows of revenue, expenditures, and stability or volatility. With these techniques, it becomes profitable to make loans under $250,000, and that is exactly what Kabbage does.

In our conversation, Rob and Kathryn tell their story, on how they’ve built a company that has extended $6 billion in credit to 165,000 people in the United States. They explain how they started with e-commerce companies and now service all small businesses.  They describe their gradual realization that their loans can help these businesses manage cash flow -- a critical need. And they share their thinking on the regulatory challenges ahead for the space, including the risk that new regulation will stifle innovation.

They also describe founding the Innovative Lending Platform Association, which allows lenders to disclose to their customers exactly what their pricing is across multiple products, to foster the transparency and trust on which the future of fintech will depend.

In the same vein, Kabbage participated in the study released just last month by FinRegLab (note that I chair FRL’s board of directors). That research evaluated the value and fairness of using cash-flow data in credit underwriting. The results are very promising on the potential of these new technologies to help make loans available to creditworthy consumers and businesses -- applicants who would be denied under traditional information models. 

Also note that we have a show coming up about the new book out on small business and fintech from Karen Mills. This will be our second show with Karen, who is the former head of the US Small Business Administration and is now at the Harvard Business School. Karen has just published Small Business, Fintech, and the American Dream, which explores many of the same innovations we discuss in today’s show.

Kathryn Petralia was an English major in college (like me, actually). Today she is one of the most prominent women founders in fintech, and so we also talked about diversity in the field, including the growing awareness that diverse workplaces produce tangible revenue benefits.

Shortly after we recorded this show, Rob gave a talk at LendIt called, “Might Need Glasses, Your Vision Sucks,” helping companies find a clear corporate vision. As you’ll see in our talk, he and Kathryn do not lack for vision! 

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More on Rob

In 2008, Rob Frohwein recognized that companies like eBay offered automated access to small business transaction data via APIs. Rob realized that using this technology, small businesses could simply share this data to allow underwriters to make better, faster credit decisions and provide a great user experience for borrowers. He co-founded Kabbage in Atlanta, Georgia to leverage this power of real-time data automation through technology, and has since expanded the business to serve all small businesses throughout the U.S. 

Today Kabbage has provided over $6 billion to 165,000 customers in the US. The company has also licensed its technology to large, global banks such as ING and Santander so they can provide the same experience to their small business customers. Kabbage's technology now powers automated small business lending in Spain, the U.K., Italy and France. 

Rob holds a law degree from Villanova University, where he graduated Magna Cum Laude.  He is the listed inventor on ten United States patents and has co-authored three books on intellectual property. He has been recognized four times as one of the top 300 intellectual property strategists globally by Intellectual Asset Magazine. As Kabbage expands and continues to support more small businesses, Rob ensures the company remains faithful to its vision, and that it maintains its unique culture, including a considerable laughter quotient. 

More on Kathryn

Technology has played a role in Kathryn Petralia's life since her parents gave her a TRS-80 computer at age nine. When Rob Frohwein shared his idea for Kabbage with Kathryn, she immediately saw the value in using technology to reexamine lending. She believed funding decisions could be automated based on access to real-time data generated by numerous business operations, rather than a lengthy, manual process.

Before co-founding Kabbage, Kathryn spent nearly 15 years working with large and small companies focused on credit, payments and e-commerce. An English major (and Kabbage's resident grammar expert), Kathryn returned to her interest in technology to found a number of successful startups. 

She also served as Vice President of Strategy for Revolution Money, an Internet-based credit card startup, and was a corporate development executive with CompuCredit Corporation, where she was responsible for entering new markets, developing products and establishing strategic alliances.

As someone who camped her way down the west coast to launch an e-commerce startup in the mid-90s, Kathryn can appreciate the lengths to which small businesses have gone to access capital.

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We have great episodes coming up. We’ve talked with Karen Mills of Harvard Business School. This is our second show with Karen, too, and one we were eager to do because she has a new book out on fintech and small business. We recorded a fascinating show with Ida Rademacher of the Aspen Institute alongside Jamie Kalamarides of Prudential.  And we have Vinny Lingham, co-founder and CEO of Civic -- an identity protection and management startup.

Here are some upcoming events where I’ll hope to see many of you. Remember, if you’re interested in booking me to speak to your group, contact jay@provokemanagement.com.

  • NFCC Connect Conference, September 16-17, Washington, DC

  • FFIEC International Banking Conference, September 24-26, Arlington, VA

  • Massachusetts Bankers Association New England Conference, September 25-27, Stowe, VT

  • University of Michigan’s Central Bank of the Future Conference, October 2-3, Ann Arbor, MI

  • Online Lending Policy Summit, October 23, Washington, DC

  • Money 2020, October 27-30, Las Vegas, NV -- I’ll be chairing the regulatory track again this year and also keynoting the day, which has been moved, happily, to Tuesday. We will have an amazing line up for you in our sessions as well as luminaries on the main stage, including FDIC Chairman Jelena McWilliams.  So stay tuned!

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The Future of Banking with Chris Skinner

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We’ve been backlogged on Barefoot Innovation because, as I explained in our last show (and 100th episode) we’ve had a frenzied summer schedule launching our nonprofit, the Alliance for Innovative Regulation (AIR), and hosting the first-ever US financial regulatory hackathon, in collaboration with the UK Financial Conduct Authority. As a result, we’re catching up on some great conservations we recorded last spring.

For this one, my guest is the one-and-only Chris Skinner. Chris, the CEO of the Finanser, began writing a daily blog in 2007. Every single day since then, for twelve solid years, he has written a blog post. It’s said that journalism is the first draft of history. Chris has written that daily first draft of the history of fintech, almost from the start. He’s the bard, or minstrel, or troubadour of fintech, telling its story as it has unfolded in real-time, day by day, with all its twists and turns and surprises. He’s been the one seeing the patterns and understanding what’s happening and what is likely to come next.

He’s based in London, which means that for me (I’m usually in Washington DC) that his daily missive comes with my morning cup of coffee. I read it and, most likely, I tweet it. I have a great deal of company in this: Chris has nearly 50 million followers on Twitter.

Chris and I recorded this conversation last spring during the Innovate Finance Global Summit in London (one of my favorite conferences in the world). We found a reasonably quiet corner of the bustling speakers’ lounge in one of the old Guildhall buildings and talked about the future of banking.

One of the things I love about his insights is that he neither predicts the demise of banks nor sugarcoats the challenges they face. He does believe -- as do I -- that banks that are too slow or aim too low, in digital transformation, aren’t not going to make it. For those that do transform, though, the future is bright.

Chris buckets the banking industry into four categories of positioning on this journey: working out what to do, working out how to do it, doing it, and then doing it better, continuously improving. (For the bankers listening, I urge talking with your colleagues about where your institution falls in that sequence.) 

In our talk he offers a lot of advice on how to advance along this continuum. He points to banks that have redefined themselves as technology companies, and he names names of banks that are doing it well. He says banks need real technology talent -- he says JP Morgan has 50,000 engineers. He says the technology people have to work alongside the business people -- break down the silos. (He says at JP Morgan Chase’s asset management and trading space, every single person has to learn how to code.) He talks about the need for banks to be in the cloud, and to be agile, and to keep those teams small and nimble. He cites Jeff Bezos’s benchmark: if a team needs more than two pizzas for lunch, it’s too big.

Chris also points to banks’ natural, hard-won advantages, including that for certain things, people trust them. They can leverage that. It won’t be enough, though, to keep them competitive in a digital-first, mobile-first world.

I vividly remember the Finanser blog post that I read over my coffee on May 11 of last year. Chris called it Small Bank Thinking. He recounted an event where he’d recently spoken with small bank leaders. They had told him all the many reasons they can’t change quickly and all the reasons they have disadvantages compared with large banks. The post has a “tough love” quality. It’s blunt -- even harsh -- about the traditional banking model and mindset. At the same time, though, it’s profoundly optimistic for small banks that do change. Chris thinks small institutions are not at a disadvantage. He thinks they actually have an advantage over the giant competitors that are trying to turn enormous battleships, while nimble little motorboats could potentially run rings around them. He thinks the answers are much more about mindset than budget.

We also talked about regulation. Chris says the average US technology company must satisfy 27,000 regulations, while the typical US bank has to comply with 128,000. He notes that there are some good reasons for this, but he thinks regulators are going to have to lead on innovation, not follow it.

We also talked about financial inclusion. He says that when he wrote about the unbanked and underbanked a decade ago, he was writing about roughly 4.5 billion people, out of the seven billion on earth. Today, he’s writing about 2.5 billion people. That’s still a huge number, but think about that progress in just 10 years. He ends our conversation with the amazing story of the founder of Paytm, who once was homeless and now is a billionaire in India. That is what this fintech is doing, opening opportunity for everyone, all over the world.

I know you’ll enjoy my conversation with the Finanser, Chris Skinner.

More on Chris

Chris Skinner is widely known as the most influential person in technology in the UK. He is an independent commentator on the financial markets and fintech, through his blog, the Finanser.com and as the author of bestselling books -- Digital Bank, ValueWeb and Digital Human


Chris is Chair of the European networking forum, the Financial Services Club, and Nordic Finance Innovation. He is a Non-Executive Director of the Fintech consultancy firm 11:FS.  He serves on the Advisory Boards of many companies including B-Hive, Bankex, empowr, IoV42, Innovate Finance, Life.SREDA, Moven, Meniga, Pintail, Project Exscudo and the Token Fund, He has been voted Game Changer of the Year and Financial Markets Advisor of the Year by Finance Monthly; CEO of the Year 2018 by CV Magazine; FinTech Speaker of the Year 2018 by TMT Global, FinTech Author of the Year 2018 by Acquisition International; Best Financial Markets Adviser of the Year UK, Global 100 – 2018; Most Influential CEO of the Year 2018 – UK by CV Magazine; Most Dynamic in Finance Advisory Services 2018 – France by Global Business Insight; Best Financial Markets Adviser of the Year 2018 – UK by Corporate USA Today; Best CEO of the Year 2019 - UK by Lawyer International; Best Financial Markets Adviser of the Year 2019 – UK by M&A Today; Most Influential Fintech Advisor 2019 - UK by CV Magazine; Best Financial Markets Adviser of the Year 2019 – UK by Corporate America Today; and Best Fintech Keynote Speaker 2019 – by Global Business Insight. He has been an advisor to the White House, the World Bank, and the World Economic Forum.


Links

https://thefinanser.com/

Books by Chris Skinner:

Digital Human

Value Web

Digital Bank

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We have great episodes coming up. We’ve talked with Karen Mills of Harvard Business School. This is our second show with Karen, too, and one we were eager to do because she has a new book out on fintech and small business. We recorded a fascinating show with Ida Rademacher of the Aspen Institute alongside Jamie Kalamarides of Prudential.  

We also have a terrific conversation that we recorded in April from the expo hall at LendIt with the cofounders of Kabbage, Rob Frohwein and Kathryn Petralia.

If you’re interested in booking me to speak to your group, contact jay@provokemanagement.com. And I hope to see you at these events:

Some events where I’ll be speaking this fall are:

Massachusetts Bankers Association New England Conference, September 26, Stowe, VT

University of Michigan’s Central Bank of the Future Conference, October 2-3, Ann Arbor, MI

Money 2020, October 27-30, Las Vegas, NV -- I’ll be chairing the regulatory track again this year and also keynoting the day, which has been moved, happily, to Tuesday. We will have an amazing line up for you in our sessions as well as luminaries on the main stage, so stay tuned!


Also, we have proposed two events for SouthBySouthwest next year, and they have just opened up their “Panel Picker” app to let people vote. We want to hold one on the regulatory “moonshot” -- the unbelievable progress being made in regulation innovation. I also proposed one called “Never Fear,” telling the story of my own transformation from having a pretty traditional career into focusing on technology, and the life changes that accompanied it. Please give our proposals a boost by voting for us. The deadline is August 23rd.

 
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100th Episode: The Race to Regulation Transformation -- Marathon and Sprint

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On a sunny April morning in 2015, I left my Washington DC apartment, walked along Pennsylvania Avenue over the bridge that spans the ravine carved by Rock Creek, and stopped into a coffee shop in Georgetown. I bought two coffees and, walking a few more blocks, took one of them to my friend Raj Date. Raj had just left his role as Deputy Director of the CFPB to found his new venture, Fenway Summer. They’d leased a tiny townhouse that had stood on its spot since before the War of 1812, when Georgetown was a bustling port for sailing ships. The little wooden building sported a historic marker plaque and faced onto one a stone-paved street that slopes down to the C&O Canal (and my favorite Georgetown cupcake shop), and then onward to the Potomac River. Fenway Summer’s office was still mostly unfurnished, with boxes strewn around, so we met in the basement, where one wall was an ancient arch made of rock and brick. The stone created an echoey space, which I noticed as I placed the coffees -- and my portable microphone -- on the table between me and Raj. I turned on the mic, and we drank coffee and shared ideas, and recorded the very first episode of Barefoot Innovation.

Today, I’m recording the 100th show. 

If someone had asked me that spring morning -- four years and ninety-nine conversations ago -- to predict the financial regulatory world of today, I’m not sure what I would have said, but I know for sure that it would have been wrong. In my wildest dreams, I could not have envisioned how technology is transforming finance, and financial regulation, in 2019.

We’ve chosen this moment to do the 100th show because last week, something happened in Washington that I think we will view in hindsight as a turning point. My new nonprofit, the Alliance for Innovative Regulation, or AIR (about which you’ll soon hear much more), collaborated with the UK’s Financial Conduct Authority to run the first-ever US regulatory “Tech Sprint.” A tech sprint is a hackathon. It puts subject matter experts together with software developers, lets them form themselves into teams, and has them work side by side -- sometimes day and night -- trying to solve concrete regulatory challenges. By the end of the sprint, typically a few days later, you don’t merely have a report or a memo or a working group. You have computer code. A start on a practical, working solution.

If the solution has potential, it may migrate into an incubator environment where it can be built out for real world deployment.

We held the US sprint as a satellite to a larger one that the FCA ran simultaneously last week in London. All the teams were tasked with developing better technology to combat money laundering. In the regulatory world, we tend to think of anti-money laundering -- AML -- as a compliance issue. We envision white collar, victimless crime. In reality, though, these crimes are among the most evil on earth. Laundered funds are the fuel that pays for terrorism and makes it lucrative to traffick in illegal weapons, drugs, looted antiquities, endangered wildlife, and human beings. Consider these numbers, and the human lives behind them. 

  • 40 million people are held captive today in human slavery -- more than in all the history of the world

  • 10 million are children

  • 1 million children are enslaved for sexual exploitation

How can this happen? Two reasons. First, these crimes are extremely profitable, as long as you can launder the money they generate through the financial system. And second, they are extremely low risk. The UN estimates that global financial crime today has reached over $1.6 trillion a year -- and that we catch less than 1%. 

And why is that? Why aren’t we doing better?

It’s not for lack of commitment. And it’s sure not for lack of resources. The financial industry spends tens of billions of dollars every year on AML compliance, and yet produces this 99% failure rate. How can that be?

The answer is that industry and government are mostly using old, ineffective technology, while the criminals have great technology. Obviously the current system is not scalable -- it can’t possibly be expanded enough to make a dent in the problem. The whole thing needs a redesign using new technology, to make it efficient and effective. 

It also needs technology to solve a very specific problem in AML, which is that criminals and terrorists can and do easily share information -- they buy and sell it on the dark web, among other things -- while the forces of good cannot easily share. That’s because the good side has to protect people’s privacy. Today, major money laundering crimes are driven by big global networks that can only be detected if companies and law enforcement can find the patterns of money flows across huge networks. This is, today, difficult and often impossible, because privacy constraints make data-sharing so difficult. 

The slogan for last week’s tech sprint was, “It takes a network to defeat a network.”

So, in the sprint, we set teams of people to work to solve this problem: can the financial industry and government use new technology, including privacy-enhancing encryption tools, to enable truly safe sharing of information and detection of big data patterns that are red flags for crime, across the boundaries of companies, governments, and countries?

In the Washington sprint, we had five teams work for three days on this challenge. We had three federal agencies actually place people on the “hacker” teams -- the FDIC, the FTC, and the CFPB. Over the course of the week we had about 170 people participate in or observe the process, including over 65 regulatory officials from 17 agencies. 

Did it work? 

It did. 

I’m going to devote later shows to really telling you the story of the sprint. When it was over, I realized that it had turned out to be the most meaningful and, I suspect, most impactful thing I’ve ever done in my career. Watch for future episodes and other postings about it.

And also watch for upcoming shows about our new nonprofit, AIR. I launched it along with my friend, Petal cofounder David Ehrich, with backing from visionary donors led by the Omidyar Network’s Flourish Ventures. We are aiming to help catalyze and shape conversion of the financial regulatory system to a new design that leverages the best technology of the Digital Age, so that regulators can keep pace with exponentially-changing technology as they carry out their crucial mission of keeping the financial system sound, accessible and fair.

For today, though, I’m going to look back over the journey we’ve traveled over the span of the 100 podcasts, and think about how we came to this point. I’m going to tell this story as I’ve experienced it, knowing of course that my vantage point has seen just one tiny facet of the huge global shifts that are now in motion.

Regtech and regulating fintech

When we recorded our first episode in 2015, “regtech” wasn’t even a thing. That was especially so in the United States, which for various reasons lags other parts of the world in regtech development and adoption.

Shortly after we launched Barefoot Innovation, I was invited to go to Harvard for a year as a Senior Fellow in the John F. Kennedy School Center for Business and Government. That one year stretched into two as I worked on a book, and also a series of papers, on financial innovation and how to regulate it.

One morning soon after I arrived on campus, I had breakfast with one of my fellow senior fellows, who introduced me to the concept of “wicked problems.” 

Wicked problems are problems that have very complex causes, and therefore very complex solutions -- so much so that, usually, they can’t be solved. People can’t even agree on what drives them, much less on how to fix them. Think of poverty, or war, or crime. In financial regulation, we’ve had at least two wicked problems, pretty much forever. One is that finance often hurts consumers, either by not allowing them into the system or by harming those who do receive services, such as burdening them with too much debt. The second problem is that, generally speaking, financial regulation can’t be made both highly effective and efficient at the same time. There’s always been a tradeoff between spending more to get better outcomes, or cutting costs but compromising results. And, even more deeply, some aspects of financial regulation are actually both expensive and ineffective, and arguably getting worse. (This is part of what my Harvard papers are about.)

My friend’s insight led me to an epiphany (this kind of thing happens if you go to Harvard and have two years to concentrate on learning and thinking!). I realized that when wicked problems do get solved, it’s often because new technology emerged, something that was not in the original mix of cause and effect. As an example, I myself had polio as a child. A few years later, the US began vaccinating every child, and then nearly all countries did the same, inoculating nearly every child in the world. Today, there is still some polio in the world, but it’s a “normal” type of problem, not an unsolvable one, as epidemic diseases had been before vaccines, for all of human history. 

Thinking about this in the context of my research, I realized that today, innovators are attacking both of these wicked problems in finance and financial regulation. People are using new technologies to try to remedy every cause of consumer financial troubles (other than lack of money itself), to make financial services vastly more accessible, affordable, transparent and fair. I realized, in fact, that some technologies had the potential to help consumers with problems that regulations have been aiming, and failing, to fix for a half-century. (I won’t develop that whole argument for you in today’s podcast -- read the Harvard papers and listen to some of the 99 podcast guests.)

I also realized that the same tech trends driving these changes -- like big data, artificial intelligence, blockchains, cloud computing, voice interface and mobile -- have also potentially opened up a whole new way to do regulation, so that it really could be better and cheaper, at the same time.

But this insight was quickly followed by another. I realized that most of the benefits, for both wicked problems, will probably never materialize. The reason? We will probably get the regulation wrong.

Regular listeners know I’m a former bank regulator. I was Deputy Comptroller of the Currency (actually the first woman in that role). How many times, over our hundred episodes, have I talked to a guest and said some version of, “The regulators have the hardest job in financial innovation, because they have to enable good changes while blocking bad ones that come embedded in them”? How many times have I said that regulatory failures are no one’s fault -- they just reflect the limitations of the tools we had before the Digital Age? All true. We have dedicated and talented regulators, and also Congressional policymakers, still, they face an uphill battle to modernize. The systems we have today were not built to address the mold-breaking, fast-paced change that is now transforming finance. I realized that, somehow,  they will have to... speed up.

So we started doing shows on fintech innovation. We framed the whole program as a “search” for innovation that could help consumers. Often, our conversation went far outside the boundaries of discussing information and expanded into real-time brainstorming. We always included a discussion of the guest’s advice for regulators. And we had many regulators as guests, including numerous agency heads. We’ve also had startup founders. And banks, both large and small. And people with roles ranging from CEO’s to compliance officers to heads of innovation labs. And lawyers and academics and consumer advocates. 

Of the innovators on the show, it’s important to note that quite a few didn’t make it. I won’t call them out individually -- you may know who they are. Some startups just ran out of runway -- their VC funding didn’t last long enough for them to find traction, especially if they were waiting for banks to get the permissions needed to work with them. Some large companies shared innovation initiatives on the show, but later gave up on them. 

This is the very nature of innovation. It always, everywhere, produces some failure. To innovate, you have no alternative but to try things. When you try new things, some won’t work. This means you have to take some risk. This process -- try something, see how it goes, measure results, learn from it, adjust, move forward -- is the pattern of all innovation. It’s a key lesson for the regulatory process. Somehow, we’re going to have to create a safe space for trying things, to bake the routine ability to iterate and test and fail, into the worlds of regulation and compliance.

The failures in fintech innovation, though, are vastly outnumbered by the successes.

More fundamentally, very few of these failures actually discredited the ideas and technologies involved. To the contrary, out of virtually every failed situation, the people involved moved forward to new and better things, and the ideas they incubated and shared have continued to spread outward, infusing the financial and technology ecosystem, changing how everyone thinks.

Along the way, the regulators saw this need for allowing and nurturing innovation and began to respond by setting up their own innovation programs. The first one that I know of was the CFPB’s Project Catalyst. That inspired the FCA to create its Innovate initiative -- a bigger and, I think it’s fair to say, bolder program than Catalyst, but building on the latter’s ideas. Famously, Innovate included creating a Regulatory Sandbox, which in turn went on to inspire dozens of imitators throughout the world. The OCC came next -- we at Harvard were honored that the Comptroller of the Currency, Tom Curry, launched the OCC innovation initiative at an event we held at the Kennedy School

Other agencies, too, began moving ahead. Some had high-profile efforts while others were low-key, but they were all dedicating people to focusing on innovation. The then-Chairman of the CFTC, Christopher Giancarlo, said on Barefoot Innovation that the top priority of “every regulatory agency” is to convert their rule books “from analog to digital” design. He recruited someone from the fintech world, Daniel Gorfine, to run the Commission’s already-extant LabCFTC. 

Eventually, all the federal agencies developed initiatives or task forces or working groups. So did some of their regional offices. The Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco, for one, held what I think was the first US regulator-sponsored innovation conference by any US agency, and now has one of the country’s most vibrant programs. Several states also took initiatives, with Arizona creating the nation’s first state sandbox. Agencies were creating both groups working on regulatory issues in fintech innovation, and also projects to develop supervisory technology, sometimes called SupTech or SuperTech (although I advise call it all regtech because supervision and compliance are two sides of the same coin and will need common, integrated technology in the end).

Regtech

In the United States, though, through most of this period, the focus was on how to regulate fintech. Again, that is different from the challenge of how to do regulation better. For the first few years after Barefoot Innovation launched, we still didn’t have the word “regtech.” As it emerged, I began to ask US speech audiences -- including the many speeches I made to regulator groups -- how many people knew the term, regtech. Five or ten percent would raise their hands.

In Europe, meanwhile, and Asia, regtech was on fire.

Some of this was coming from the private sector, including from many of our podcast guests. But globally, the key driver was, again, the FCA. Its sandbox initiative had captured everyone’s attention and was growing fast. The FCA was sending people around the world evangelizing on it. But when I would meet with them in London, I started to see a few people at the table who were working on regtech. I mean, a few. It was, basically, two people, and eventually, three.

Quietly, gradually, that little team began to invent a new way of innovating for regulators themselves. And their genius invention, their breakthrough, was that the FCA should hold hackathons. The FCA will tell you that they’re regulators, so they don’t like the word “hack,” so they created a special new name for these events -- the regtech “tech sprint.” 

The first one they held tackled issues of consumer access to financial services. They invited just a handful of people and kept it very low-profile -- they were trying something new and had no idea if it would work. But, it did work. So they did another, and another, growing the size, widening the range of issues, and hammering out, through trial and error, a whole methodology. The one they held in London last week was their seventh. Two have been on AML. Others have explored issues like pensions and financial services and mental health. Two have been on regulatory reporting.

Along the way, the regtech group came to be led by an FCA official named Nick Cook. Today Nick heads the FCA’s whole innovation division (more on that later), but in the early couple of years, his little regtech team began building a network. I remember making speeches in those days when I would say, the FCA’s regtech team has only seven people, but hundreds of others are helping them. By doing these sprints and sharing what they were learning, they were enlisting some of the world’s top experts in both regulation and technology -- experts from big banks, tech firms, academics and more. Everyone was coming to the table. People began to see the possibility of doing things better, and they wanted to help.

On June 1, 2017, I convened a regtech conference at Harvard. To our surprise and delight, people came from all over the world! We brought together about 60 regulatory and technology experts around one huge open-square table. 

I remember asking for a show of hands on how many of them had ever helped to write financial laws or regulations. Many hands went up. Then I asked how many could write computer code. Again, large numbers of hands were raised. 

And then I asked, how many could do both. One person raised his hand.

We had a lot of very high-powered people in that room. I remember suggesting to them that the regulatory people at the table knew they had a problem with making regulation both effective and efficient, and assumed that, for the most part, it can’t be solved. The tech people in the room, meanwhile, actually had the solution, but they didn’t know about the problem -- or thought that it was a boring problem (which it decidedly is not!). And so...we put them together, to figure out how to combine the best of both. 

Around that time, I started using a slide showing former Congressman Barney Frank, who co-sponsored the Dodd-Frank financial reform law, in the same frame with Steve Jobs. We started asking, what if we could give regulatory problems to people with that mix of expertise, to solve together?

At the Harvard roundtable, we posed this provocative question: might it be possible to issue some regulations not in words, but in the form of computer code, so that compliance could be self-implementing? In June 2017, this seemed to me like a science fiction vision, something that might begin to be possible in, maybe 10 or 20 years.

Nick Cook was at that conference. Five months later, the FCA and the Bank of England, incredibly, tested this very concept in real life.

That November, they ran a tech sprint that is now affectionately known to many of us as the Regulatory Moonshot. It ran for two full weeks. The participants came from the big UK banks, fintech and regtech firms, and distinguished universities in the UK and US. The FCA selected one line of regulatory guidance on reporting requirements for retail loans to work on. They set up a “tech” group and a “text” group of legal people, and then had a group of “translators” bridge the gap between them. They all worked to convert the syntax of the legal requirements into the syntax of code, to run against a set of test data. 

The effort failed several times. People worried that it had been a waste of time. 

On the final day, a late Friday afternoon on December they ran the test.

It worked. Machine-to-machine, the algorithm produced a correct report, in 10 seconds. 

Then they altered the reporting requirement and ran it again. The algorithm produced an adjusted report, correctly, again.

The people in the room that day stood up and cheered -- bankers and regulators together.

The FCA realized that this “model-driven machine-executable” reporting could possibly be applied to areas where reporting processes are expensive and suboptimal, for both industry and government. They began calculating the potential for huge savings, in both the public and private sectors. They also promoted a thought process we had also discussed at Harvard, and that I’ve emphasized in my Harvard papers -- the idea that innovations like this could potentially be opened up to the industry as a voluntary option. Companies could choose to adopt them, or not, depending on what would be most safe and inexpensive for them. This would avoid forcing big tech changes on the whole system, top down, with all the resistance that normally creates. 

In February 2018, the FCA issued a report on this sprint, explaining what they did, how they did it, and what further input they wanted from the public, and also laying out core concepts such as a commitment to creating regulatory technology that is open source.

I think the regulators who ran that sprint are heroes.

As I said earlier, I’m telling this story as I’ve experienced it over the course of our hundred podcasts, but I was doing very little. The big work was being done by others, especially in Europe and Asia.

A regtech infrastructure started to emerge, particularly in those regions. Under the leadership of Ravi Menon, the Monetary Authority of Singapore, MAS, began to put resources into both fintech innovation and regtech. Their innovation head, Sopnendu Mohanty (a two-time guest on our show) was all over the world, telling their story. MAS also began running a “Fintech Festival” that must be, now, the largest financial conference on earth. It attracts 40,000 people a year from all over the world. Think about that -- for a fintech festival sponsored by a central bank.

Abu Dhabi recruited regtech leaders from both the FCA (Barry West) and MAS (Wai-Lum Kwok) and began building a regtech innovation hub in the Middle East. Other countries were innovating too -- I don’t want to start listing them for fear of leaving out important initiatives, but ideas and experiments were spreading.

Two European-based regtech associations were stood up. In London, PJ Di Giammarino founded the Regtech Council, or RTC. Around the same time, the International Regtech Association, or IRTA, started up based in the UK and Switzerland, under the leadership of Subas Roy and Ben Richmond. The IRTA included visionary players like Diana Paredes and Richard Maton, and Richard also founded FIIN, the Financial Institution Innovation Network. (I’m involved with all of these.) Organizations like the International Institute of Finance were also doing research and holding events.

In 2017, I co-founded an AML regtech firm myself, Hummingbird, with four millennial co-founders, three of whom are software developers (many listeners may know that I’m a baby boomer). Suddenly, my learning curve skyrocketed. For the first time in my life, I was being exposed to how technology is created, the techniques that let tech companies innovate so fast, how they work together. My colleagues, most of them in San Francisco, lived in this world where innovation is in the very air. My daily discussions suddenly involve design thinking and human-centered design, agile workflows, standups, cloud computing, what it takes to get a SOC 2 security certification, how to do pen testing or run bug bounties, the power of open source code, the use of feature flags and reversible code to try things in a safe, small-scale way, the need for tech standards for regulatory information, the idea of a regulatory Github, the need to measure everything, the methods of collaborating and “failing fast” and learning from mistakes. I saw first hand how new, digitally-native technology could transform AML.  I’ve learned more from this experience than from all my other efforts, combined.

Regtech had hit the agendas of the international bodies and NGOs dedicated to expanding global financial inclusion. The mobile phone was rapidly extending starter financial services to literally billions of people in the developing world who had never before had access -- people for whom no one was ever going to build and staff a bank branch. The World Bank set the ambitious goal that every adult in the world should have a “bank account” in his or her phone by 2020. People realized that if that was going to happen -- and it will, in the 2020’s -- the world needed a much stronger, nimbler, and more efficient regulatory infrastructure, to safeguard the system and to protect people from harm. This was especially true for protecting consumers who had never had formal financial products before, or even knew anyone who had, and so were vulnerable to exploitation and scams. To do this, regulators were going to need tools that didn’t require building out high headcount. It wasn’t practical to try to mimic the systems and structures of the large economies. Instead, the Global South would leapfrog, through new, digitally-native technology.

Projects were launched by the UN, the International Telecommunications Union, and the World Bank. Philanthropic organizations, especially the Omidyar Network (Pierre Omidyar was the founder of Ebay) and the Gates Foundation, funded regulatory innovation initiatives. One was the Alliance for Financial Inclusion, or AFI, made up of the central banks and financial regulators of the global South -- more than 100 agencies from about 90 countries. Another was R2A, the Regtech for Regulators Accelerator, which under the leadership of Bankable Frontiers’ Simone Di Castri, began working with regulatory bodies in countries like Mexico and the Philippines to solve regulatory challenges through technology. One technique was to put a chatbot on mobile phones so that consumers could report scams directly to the regulators. The bot could collect the complaint information and analyze it for trends to help target scarce human expertise.

In the US, the Omidyar Network funded other work in fintech and regtech. One was the Financial Diaries research and book, along with other support of the Center for Financial Services Innovation (now the Financial Health Network -- I served on and chaired its board).  A second was creation of FinRegLab, led by my friend Melissa Koide. FRL has just put out its first research report, exploring the use of alternative data in credit underwriting (I’m proud to say I chair its board too). A regtech accelerator, RegTechLab, started up around the same time. Regtech conferences were cropping up all over the world and regtech tracks were being added to existing events.

And the Omidyar team, which last year spun off its financial unit as Flourish Ventures, began working with me -- again, driven by the insight that we will have to modernize both financial services and financial regulation if we’re going to achieve global financial inclusion.

With support from Omidyar and others, I had begun traveling the world, seeing and touching the cutting edge of change. London, Paris, Singapore, Manila, Fiji, Jakarta, Geneva, Amsterdam, Nassau. I spoke to the Dutch central bank. I spoke each year at the huge MAS Fintech Festival. I met with the Netherlands Queen Maxima, the UN Special Advocate for Global Financial Inclusion. I spoke to a UN conference. I spoke to a Cambridge University conference of hundreds of African regulators. I briefed the Basel technology subcommittee and the senior bank supervisors of the major economies. I spoke to AFI and the World Bank. In Jakarta, I sat at dinner next to Sanjay Jain and gradually realized he was an architect of India’s Aadhaar project, which has collected biometric identification information on 1.2 billion people, to enable them -- including the women -- to prove who they are so that they can enter the financial system, even if they lack traditional identity papers. I did a podcast with Sanjay the next day. In Manila I met Michael Wiegand, who heads the Gates Foundation’s Financial Services for the Poor. We were both traveling onward to Singapore, and did a podcast there as well. I participated in the Vaduz Roundtable hosted by Prince Michael of Liechtenstein, and recorded a podcast with him in the Alps. In Fiji I recorded three or four shows, including one with AFI CEO Alfred Hannig

In the US, I spoke to most of the regulatory agencies and many of their regional offices. I spoke to the FFIEC’s regional IT examiners. For three years I’ve chaired the regulatory track at Money 2020. I interviewed Ripple chairman Chris Larsen on the main stage at LendIt and also did a podcast with him earlier. I spoke at LendIt in the US and Europe, and at Finovate, and at the wonderful regtech conferences that have mushroomed up. I joined the fintech advisory committees of FINRA, and of the Milken Institute, and the blockchain advisory group for the state of California. Regtech was spreading.

The Tech Sprint and AIR

Last October, Nick Cook visited with a group of about 20 US regulators on his return trip to London after speaking at Money 2020. At the time, the FCA planned to hold the 2019 AML tech sprint with international partners in Abu Dhabi, and so Nick invited the US regulators to come. The officials in the room noted that their budgets generally wouldn’t support travel to Abu Dhabi. And then one of them -- I can’t recall who it was -- asked if perhaps there could be a satellite site for the sprint, in the US. 

Instantly, people were interested. Several agencies followed up with the FCA to explore trying to host such an event, but ultimately couldn’t make it come together. 

Meanwhile I had co-founded AIR -- again, that’s the nonprofit Alliance for Innovative Regulation, with Petal card co-founder David Ehrich. This spring, the FCA asked if AIR would host such a satellite event. And we, of course, said yes.

We really had to sprint, to organize this sprint! Our little team -- David, Lexi Frazier and Amrita Vir -- worked day and night, as did the team at the FCA in London, to put it together.

We lined up participants with the right mix of skills and, about two weeks before the sprint, we held a telephone “boot camp” for them to explain the process. We gave everyone access to each other, and to a tool for getting organized, and to a set of synthetic data created by a UK company called Harbr, in which very realistic financial crime patterns were hidden  We also set up access to cloud computing environments donated by Amazon Web Services and Microsoft Azure. People began thinking about problems to solve and finding teammates.

And then, on Tuesday of last week, we kicked off the sprint live at the Washington office of EY, which provided the facilities. We connected to London for a welcome, managing the five hour time difference. We heard a presentation from US law enforcement, by Mike Loughnane, sharing the perspective of the actual people who use AML information to catch criminals.  

Most of the people on these teams had never met until that Tuesday morning. Some were software developers who knew little about AML. Some were AML compliance officers or regulators who knew little about technology. They came from big and small banks, fintech firms, and consultancies. Again, some came from three US regulatory agencies. They formed themselves into their working groups, with each team recruiting a combination of subject matter experts, front-end and back-end developers, and preferably a designer.  They picked the AML problems they wanted to solve. We provided them with floating “doctors” to guide and problem solve.

And then they got to work, for two and a half days.

On the final day, the Friday, we gathered for a big event, much of which was joint with the FCA. In Washington, we had a keynote speech by FDIC Chairman Jelena McWilliams, simulcast to London, which included her compelling vision for transforming FDIC bank supervision through technology.  From London, meanwhile, we had a simulcast address from US Assistant Treasury Secretary Marshall Billingslea. We also had the benefit of the FCA sending their head of Innovate, Samantha Emery, who had come to the US as a sort of ambassador to our event and spoke eloquently about how regulators must and can change.

Then the “hacker” teams demonstrated their solutions, for which Chairman McWilliams graciously agreed to serve as a judge along with other distinguished leaders. 

Again, I’ll be posting much more information on what happened in the coming weeks. We’ll put information in the show notes for this episode, and you can also start to find material at our partially-built landing page, www.RegulationInnovation.org. When the FCA asked us to host the sprint, AIR was so new that we didn’t -- and still don’t -- even have a logo. We just have a picture of a robot! So keep watching as we post more information, including the exciting follow ups as our sprint teams are invited to demo their innovative tools to US regulatory agencies in the coming weeks.

Again, this event feels to me like the most meaningful thing I’ve been involved with in my career. The response has been overwhelming. The energy is off the chart. Much, much more to come!

The 100 shows

So, what a journey we’ve had with these hundred conversations on Barefoot Innovation. I remember the day we launched. I was using friends and family-type tech help (some of you can guess who I’m talking about). We had planned to get the show online over a weekend, but Sunday afternoon arrived with nothing done. I remember being on the phone with my tech helper and saying that I assumed we weren’t going to get it done. He said, “yeah we are.” He started emailing me to ask for materials. At one point he told me we needed an “album cover.” I had no idea what that even meant. The only podcast I’d ever heard was the first one by Tim Ferriss -- it’s one where they were drinking a good bit, and he explains that he’d started his show after realizing how much people would love to be a fly on the wall for some of the fascinating conversations he has with people. He had decided to let everyone listen in. And that’s what we’ve done, too.  

So I came up with an album cover, of me walking under a stone arch at Borough Market in London holding bread and coffee, to set the tone of the program. 

An hour or so later, we had a podcast show up on iTunes.

I won’t attempt to talk about my favorite episodes, because that’s too long a list and too slippery a slope. But I will highlight some of the fun, and the mishaps!  I remember having to flee a cloudburst in Palm Springs with Simple CEO Josh Reich. I remember my recording with California banking commissioner Jan Owen on a balcony in Santa Fe, with a big storm gathering and lightning forking down onto the mountains behind her, and the wind blowing our hair around, and finally cutting our talk short to run inside out of the rain. I remember getting thrown out of an empty hotel conference room with my friend Steve Carlson of Ascend, and how we felt tempted (and said so on the show), to blow off a meeting we were about to have with the same person at the CFSI Emerge conference, because we felt like our brainstorming was just about to let us figure the whole thing out.  I remember the little dog on the couch when I talked with Betterment CEO Jon Stein. I remember the AFI conference in Fiji, sitting in the outdoor restaurant out on the beach with eCurrency CEO Jonathan Dharmapalan, with seagulls screaming the whole time. I remember the show I did there with AFI’s leader, Alfred Hannig, as an old fashioned fan clattered in the room the whole time -- my sound editor said the recording sounded like jackhammering. I remember my friend Jen Tescher, CEO of CFSI (now the Financial Health Network) showing up to do the show, and bringing wine.

I remember a London morning with my friend Brett King, recording as we enjoyed a hearty English breakfast. I remember my microphone, and my backup microphone, and actually all my tech totally failing for my conversation with CSBS president John Ryan. I actually had to run back to my apartment to get another microphone, and then rush back to John’s office, and STILL it failed! We had to reschedule. John is the nicest person on earth.

I remember having an even worse fail with Treliant’s Lyn Farrell, because the mic never recorded at all and we had to do a whole new episode. It was lucky for me that she’s the only person I did that with, because for one thing, she’s my dear, dear friend, and for another, I got her to come to Harvard, speak to our student group, and record another in my Boston apartment, overlooking a beautiful sunset on Boston Harbor before we walked to dinner in Seaport. In that second one, we brainstormed an entirely new idea that neither of us had had, and maybe wouldn’t ever have come to, if we hadn’t been talking about compliance innovation for the show.

I remember an early show that forced me to decide whether to edit my guests, because one said something very inflammatory about a well-known bank. I agonized over this a bit. Then my colleague pointed out to me that my website quotes Carl Sagan saying, “If it can be destroyed by the truth, it deserves to be destroyed by the truth.” So, just disclaimers. No editing.

In that vein, I also remember putting a PG-13 warning on our show with Digit CEO Ethan Bloch, who used a few words that arise in public more often in Silicon Valley than in, say, Washington DC. I remember being inspired by both the content and the Alps backdrop in my talk with Prince Michael, in Liechtenstein.  I remember talking with my outrageous, cheeky friend Dave Birch in London, in the old Guild Hall building, with a fire in the grate, right before Christmas, and also one I haven’t even posted yet, also from London, with the great Chris Skinner.  I remember my five amazing guests for our episode on women in fintech

I remember so many episodes with background noise. There was one in my neighborhood coffee shop with Petal CEO Jason Gross, in which loud music unexpectedly started. I remember recording from the convention floors at the ABA Regulatory Compliance Conference and, at LendIt, with Rob Frowheim and Kathryn Petralia of Kabbage, and with Alloy’s Laura Spiekerman at Comply. So much noise!

I remember both podcasts with Sopnendu Mohanty, including when I suggested to him that Singapore has an easier challenge than the US because we have so many regulators and thousands of banks. I’ve never forgotten what Sop said: “Yes, Jo Ann, but the US has the talent.” 

I remember our longest show, with one of my favorite renegades, Global ID’s Greg Kidd. And I remember inviting listeners to contact me if they wanted equal time to respond to the extremely provocative comments of Bill Harris at Personal Capital.

I remember seeing Pepper the robot at Wells Fargo, with Braden More.

I remember all the agency heads, all needing to be careful, as agency heads must, but still laying out compelling visions -- Tom Curry, Rich Cordray, two shows with Chris Giancarlo, and we’ll have shows coming up with FDIC Chairman Jelena Mc Williams and Comptroller of the Currency Joseph Otting. I remember my conversation with Congressman Gregory Meeks. I actually thought our 100th episode was going to be with a European head of state. Think of that -- a prime minister interested in talking to us about how technology is changing finance and financial policy. I won’t tell you who it is, because I hope we’ll still get to do it at a time when the schedules work better.

And of course, I remember our episodes with the FCA -- one with Chris Woolard, one with Nick Cook, and -- yes, possibly my favorite -- the one with both of them together, immediately after the 2018 AML sprint in London. Everyone was exhausted that night, and everyone was elated. We’ll do another with Nick about the 2019 sprint.

And we’ll get his perspective from the new vantage point he has now, heading a full FCA division.

Now think about this. The FCA this year elevated its innovation group into a full-fledged division. It contains innovate, regtech, and data sciences. It already has more than 100 people, and within a year, will have 200. This is regulatory transformation.

And it’s happened in less than five years. It’s been built in large part around sprints. We all know that regulatory modernization is a marathon. It will take years. Still, it needs to start now because, as the FCA has said, if regulators don’t move forward in this exponentially-changing tech world, they will be “accelerating backwards.”

Today people listen to Barefoot Innovation all over the world. People are listening from London to San Francisco, Kansas City to Tokyo and Melbourne, Buenos Aires to Kiev. We have quite a few listeners in Togo. Our metrics are partial, but we have tens of thousands of people listening, on every populated continent. I was once at a conference in London and a man walked up to me and asked if I was “the podcast lady.”  When I said yes, he introduced himself as an avid fan of the show. He was a member of the Brazil legislature. Everywhere I go, and with nearly every new connection I make, people tell me they listen.

I’m so grateful to you all.

As I said at the start, if someone had told me there would be such a thing as AIR, or a tech sprint, or even regtech, when we recorded that first show, I wouldn’t have known what they were talking about. And look where we are now.

People tell me all the time that regulatory systems can only change at a glacial pace. I understand the headwinds as well as anyone. I’m a former Deputy Comptroller of the Currency. I’ve worked with regulation and compliance for more than four decades, inside government and out. I’m close to regulators and policy makers and also to compliance people. It’s a deliberate, careful, risk-averse system. That’s a feature, not a bug. It’s designed that way, for good reason.

But still, it will have to change faster, to keep up with technology. 

And, it already is. It is accelerating forward, more every day.

The road ahead a marathon, and a sprint. A great many of us are running them, together.

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Agile Regulation -- CFTC Chairman Chris Giancarlo

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I’m calling today’s show “agile regulation.” I know that sounds like an oxymoron, but today, agile regulation is actually on its way.

Financial regulators all over the world are realizing that they will have to update their tools, digitize their information and, above all, speed up, to keep pace with the exponential rate of technology change in the industry they regulate. In the United States, the leading voice in this new vision has been our guest today -- the Chairman of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, Christopher Giancarlo. This is the second time we have had Chairman Giancarlo with us, and we are posting this one right before he leaves office.

This conversation builds on the first. I think it might be the most interesting and thought provoking discussion we’ve ever had on Barefoot Innovation.

The agency’s name -- the Commodity Futures Trading Commission -- may not clearly conjure its role in our economy as the regulator of derivatives. That responsibility puts the CFTC at the forefront in addressing mold-breaking innovation in finance, and Chris Giancarlo has, perhaps more than any US regulator, been thinking deeply about the challenge that regulators face as a result. Late last year he gave a speech at Georgetown University Law School for FinTech Week, called Quantitative Regulation, Effective Market Regulation in a Digital Era, raising themes that we discussed in depth in our conversation.

We talked about the need to digitize regulation. We talked about the need for new data analytics and artificial intelligence -- he tells a great story on how algorithms are changing the marketplace, and how the CFTC has responded by creating a whole Market Intelligence branch. We talked about how regulators can attract top talent into these kinds of roles. They have appointed a Chief Market Intelligence Officer who is a former partner from Goldman Sachs, and they converted a University of Chicago professor from being a skeptic to a believer who now encourages his PhD students to consider working at an agency like the CFTC, because it is doing “cutting-edge work.” 

We also talked about the need for interagency coordination. The Chairman is one of the few people I know who doesn’t think we have too many federal financial agencies, but he emphasizes that they have to work together more than ever. He says he and SEC Chairman Clayton are focused on harmonizing rules, and he describes how the Commission is working with the Treasury Department (see my previous podcast with Counselor of the Secretary of the Treasury, Craig Phillips). 

As you listen, notice the tone of urgency that pervades this conversation. It’s a tone we don’t usually hear from regulators. It fits with the Chairman’s Georgetown Law School speech where he coined the term “agile regulation.” He talks about agencies spending months studying issues that, going forward, they will have to figure out in weeks. He says regulators are at risk of falling behind and that, in an era of exponential rates of change, “if you don't keep up... the falling behind moves at an exponential rate as well.” How to avoid that danger is the subject of today’s show.

Links

Barefoot Innovation Podcast: Counselor to the Secretary of the Treasury, Craig Phillips

Chairman Giancarlo’s Speech: “Quantitative Regulation:  Effective Market Regulation in a Digital Era”

Barefoot Innovation Podcast: From Analog to Digital Regulation - CFTC Acting Chairman Christopher Giancarlo

Barefoot Innovation Podcast: Regulatory Challenger: LabCFTC and Daniel Gorfine

LabCFTC

Mark Yallop interviewed in “The 25-year cycle of misconduct in financial markets and how to break it”


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Remember to leave us a five-star rating on your podcast platform so we can help more listeners find the show. Also come to our website to subscribe to Barefoot Innovation -- our newsletter, podcast and updates, and please follow me on Twitter, LinkedIn, and Facebook.

We have great episodes coming up. We will talk with Karen Mills of Harvard Business School. This is our second show with Karen, too, and one we were eager to do because she has a new book out on fintech and small business. We recorded a fascinating show with Ida Rademacher of the Aspen Institute alongside Jamie Kalamarides of Prudential.  And we have one from London with the great Chris Skinner.

We also have a terrific conversation that we recorded from the expo hall at LendIt with the cofounders of Kabbage, Rob Frohwein and Kathryn Petralia.

If you’re interested in booking me to speak to your group, contact jay@provokemanagement.com

We’re into the summer quiet time on conferences, but I’ll hope to see you at these in the fall:

University of Michigan’s Central Bank of the Future Conference, October 2-3, Ann Arbor, MI

Money 2020, October 27-30, Las Vegas, NV -- I’ll be chairing the regulatory track again this year and also keynoting the day, which has been moved, happily, to Tuesday.

Last but not least, listen next time for our very special 100th episode of Barefoot Innovation.

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Fighting Financial Crime with Science: Giant Oak CEO Gary Shiffman

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We know that the money launderers are winning. We know that law enforcement is losing. By now, you’ve probably heard the UN’s statistics on this, that we catch less than 1% of these crimes, which add up to an estimated $1.6 trillion a year. At the heart of this problem is asymmetrical technology. The bad guys have sophisticated, networked, rapidly improving technologies, and the good guys are stuck in the past.

Happily, that is starting to change, and no one is doing more to change it than today’s guest. Giant Oak CEO Gary Shiffman is a behavioral scientist. He and his colleagues are combining behavioral modeling techniques, deep knowledge of illicit activity, and analysis built on AI and machine learning, to try to turn the tide on financial crime. As he puts it, they are democratizing their expertise by converting it into software that everyone can use.

Many patterns of financial crime, including identity authentication issues, can quite easily be found by machines scanning large sets of data, but are hard to detect by humans who are running Google searches to meet AML Know-Your-Customer requirements. These kinds of machine learning techniques are in use every day in other parts of the economy. They are how Amazon or Google guess at what we want to shop for, or Netflix predicts what movie we might like. Now, they are coming into the great fight against financial crime.

In our conversation, Gary describes GOST, which stands for the Giant Oak Search Technology that does large scale screening, vetting, and continuous monitoring of data, and front loads these searches so that risk signals are caught at the start, at the stage of customer screening, rather than after a suspicious situation has arisen and needs investigation. Gary calls this process “reindexing of the internet” -- curating vastly more online information than is captured in a normal search.

He also uses a term I’ve been quoting ever since our conversation -- the “traveling algorithm.” It captures an emerging AML concept we’ve discussed in past shows, which is the idea that instead of bringing the data to the technology in a central place that make it a target for cyberattack, we should take the technology to the data. We can leave it decentralized where it’s safer, and just have everyone share algorithms that can find the big patterns.

When he’s not at Giant Oak, Gary is a professor at Georgetown University here in Washington, D.C., where he teaches a course called, “The Economics of Organized Violence.” Later this year he will have a book coming out on that topic, and you’ll be fascinated to hear him talk about the economics of criminal ventures.

Gary shares my optimism about the regulators’ role in support of AI and machine learning. He points to the interagency statement released by the financial regulators and FinCEN late last year at the ABA Financial Crimes Conference, which proactively encourages the industry to adopt and to test regtech for AML. Since we talked, FinCEN has launched its new innovation initiative and “office hours” program. Like me, Gary believes we need hackathons, experiments, and lots of testing to find out what works, fix weaknesses, and accelerate learning and sharing.

Like me, also, he is confident that this technology will succeed and that we will change the world.

Links

Link to full transcript

https://twitter.com/Giant_Oak

https://www.linkedin.com/company/giant-oak

https://www.giantoak.com/

Barefoot Innovation Podcast Episode - Regulation Revolution:The Financial Conduct Authority and Digitally-Native Regulatory Design

Barefoot Innovation Podcast Episode - Regulation Innovation: The FCA’s Christopher Woolard

Barefoot Innovation Podcast Episode - The Future of Regulation: The FCA’s Regtech Leader Nick Cook

Joint Statement on Innovative Efforts to Combat Money Laundering and Terrorist Financing


More on Dr. Gary Shiffman

Dr. Gary Shiffman is an expert in the economics of national security and is passionate about using social science and cutting-edge network and data analysis to protect the world from illicit actors. His goal is to make it more difficult for criminals and terrorists to accomplish their goals. In order to do this, Dr. Shiffman focuses on understanding institutions and individuals engaged in the non-random production of violence, and then on creating innovative ways to undermine these activities and networks.

In addition to his work as the founder and CEO of Giant Oak, Dr. Shiffman has been a professor at Georgetown University since 2002. His past professional experiences have positioned him as an expert in the unique intersection between the social sciences, big data, business, and national security concerns. These include service as Managing Director of the Chertoff Group, Senior Vice President and General Manager of the Risk Management Solutions business unit at L-3 Communications, and Chief of Staff at U.S. Customs and Border Protection. He has also worked on anti-terrorism and homeland defense issues at an international law firm, advised US Senators as a National Security and Senior Policy Adviser to the US Senate Leadership, and served in policy, planning, and operational positions in the U.S. Department of Defense.

Gary proudly served his country and is a decorated US Navy Gulf War veteran. He earned his Ph.D. in Economics from George Mason University, his MA from Georgetown University in Security Studies and his BA in Psychology from the University of Colorado.

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We have great episodes coming up. We’ve talked with the outgoing Chairman of the CFTC, Chris Giancarlo -- his second show with us and one of the most thought-provoking we’ve ever done on the future of financial regulation. We have a show coming up with Karen Mills of Harvard Business School. This is our second with Karen, too, and one we were eager to do because she has a new book out on fintech and small business. We recorded a fascinating show with Ida Rademacher of the Aspen Institute alongside Jamie Kalamarides of Prudential.  And we have one from London with the great Chris Skinner.

We also have a terrific conversation that we recorded in April from the expo hall at LendIt with the cofounders of Kabbage, Rob Frohwein and Kathryn Petralia.

If you’re interested in booking me to speak to your group, contact jay@provokemanagement.com. And I hope to see you at these events:

American Banker Association’s Regulatory Compliance Conference, June 9-12, New Orleans, LA

Bank Director's Bank Audit & Risk Committees Conference, June 12, Chicago, IL

Money 2020, in October in Las Vegas -- I’ll be chairing the regulatory track again this year and also keynoting the day, which has been moved, happily, to Tuesday.

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The Promise of Digital ID: David Shrier of Distilled Identity and MIT Media Lab

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There are some challenges in fintech and regtech that transcend the others -- problems that have to be solved in order to “unstick” numerous other kinds of exciting innovation. Of these core enabling solutions, none is more important than digital identity.

A few months ago I sat down with one of the people leading the work in this field. David Shrier is founder and CEO of Distilled Identity, an AI biometric software company that helps financial institutions and governments build better identity profiles. David is also affiliated with Oxford University and the MIT Media Lab.

The challenge of identity authentication bedevils numerous aspects of both finance and regulation. It impacts the Know Your Customer mandates under anti-money laundering. It impacts fraud management, cybersecurity, privacy protection, and the move toward instant, easy payments. It has a huge impact on financial inclusion, since many of the most vulnerable consumers have trouble easily proving who they are. That’s especially true in the developing world, but it also affects countries like the US where it can be hard to prove identity if you are, say, a new immigrant or a young person not yet rooted in your job or home address or bill-paying routines. If you have a roommate who pays the rent and utility bills and you repay your share via Venmo, you may have trouble proving who you are -- or at least, proving it in a quick, efficient, trustworthy way that will make a financial provider willing to do business with you.

The financial inclusion difficulties arising from lack of ID documents have been on the radar for years for governments and NGOs. An example we explored in the past was our episode with Sanjay Jain on the India Aadhaar project that has collected biometric ID on over a billion people in India. Today, though, there is growing recognition of a second problem in identity, arising from the exact opposite problem. People who have always been able to identify themselves easily through traditional means are now suddenly vulnerable to having their ID information stolen or otherwise compromised. Document-based systems like social security cards, drivers licenses, and passports were all invented in the analog age -- i.e., on paper. Today the information they contain is widely for sale on the dark web. In fact, systems built on traditional documents may actually leave people more vulnerable than those without them, if the latter leapfrog straight to modern digital ID.

No one is more expert in all this than David Shrier. In this episode, he notes that identity systems that barely evolved for decades are suddenly generating new strategies grounded in understanding individual behavior and biometrics. (He explains, in fact, how his cofounder Alex Pentland created facial biometrics in the late 1980s and invented the technology that now powers the Aadhaar project.)

Like me, David is optimistic that digital identity is going to foster consumer financial health, much as a fitness step counter creates useful data on physical health. At the same time, he takes us through the challenges. He talks about the needed enabling technologies for digital ID, including assuring that everyone -- and especially women -- get smartphones. He talks about privacy, including Europe’s new General Data Protection Regulation, or GDPR. He predicts that we’re heading toward a system where people will own our data and be paid to let companies use it, which he thinks may create the need for a new class of data custodians or agents, to help us protect and manage our information.

Here are links to two of our earlier shows on identity -- Greg Kidd of GlobaliD and Dave Birch of Consult Hyperion.

We recorded this show during a terrific fintech conference in New York earlier this year sponsored by FINRA, the securities industry’s self-regulatory body, for which David and I both serve on the Fintech Advisory Committee. FINRA has been at the forefront of some kinds of regtech innovation in the US and recently announced the creation of a new innovation program under the leadership of Haimera Workie. Keep an eye on that for some really interesting developments.

Links

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Barefoot Innovation Podcast: Access for All: CIEE’s Sanjay Jain and the India Stack

ID 2020

David Shrier’s Book, Trust Data

OPAL Project

Trust.mit.edu

Frontiers of Financial Technology

Distilledidentity.com

David Shrier’s blog on Forbes

More on David

David Shrier is a globally recognized authority on financial innovation who works with corporations and governments to generate economic expansion.  He specializes in helping organizations build new revenue and new markets, having developed $8.5 billion of growth opportunities with C-suite executives for Dun & Bradstreet, Wolters Kluwer, Ernst & Young, The Massachusetts Institute of Technology, GE/NBC, The Walt Disney Company, AOL Verizon, and Starwood, as well as private equity and VC funds. He has led a number of private equity and venture capital-backed companies as CEO, CFO or COO.  

David also leads the University of Oxford's online programmes, Oxford Fintech and Oxford Blockchain Strategy, as well as MIT’s Future Commerce (the first graduate fintech class in North America), driving entrepreneurial action in over 100 countries to build the new financial ecosystem. He has published multiple books on fintech, blockchain and cybersecurity.

David is the CEO of Distilled Identity, a VC-backed AI biometrics software company that builds better identity profiles for financial institutions to help with credit, fraud, and payments; Vice Chairman of Endor, a blockchain-enabled crowd intelligence platform; and Chairman of Riff Learning, an AI-driven collaboration technology platform provider.  His current academic appointments include Associate Fellow with the Saïd Business School, University of Oxford; Lecturer at the MIT Media Lab; and Fellow with the Payne Institute at the Colorado School of Mines.

He presently counsels Millennium Advisors, a middle market $120 million revenue credit liquidity provider, on growth strategy, corporate culture, and technology trends. He previously has advised the Government of Dubai on blockchain and digital identity; the OECD, on blockchain policy and standards; Ripple on regulatory strategy; and the European Commission on commercializing innovation with a focus on digital technology.  

David is presently a member of the FinTech Industry Committee for FINRA, the U.S. securities industry's self-regulatory body. He serves on the Fintech Trade & Investment Steering Board for the UK Government’s Department of International Trade.  He also informally engages with the European Parliament, European Commission, OECD, Bank of England, FCA, SEC, US Treasury, and FDIC on innovation, cybersecurity, digital identity, blockchain, and AI. David is on the advisory board of WorldQuant University, a program offering a totally-free, accredited, online Master’s degree in financial engineering.  

David and MIT Professor Alex “Sandy” Pentland have published books including Frontiers of Financial Technology, New Solutions for Cybersecurity, and Trust::Data.  The European Parliament and European Commission have asked him to author a chapter on the distributed data economy in their book Disintermediation Economics (2019, Palgrave Macmillan).  David is a Forbes contributor, has been published in Newsweek and CNBC.com, and also co-edits, with Professor Pentland, the Connection Science imprint of MIT Press. He was named 2018 Global Fintech Person of the Year by Fintech Galaxy, and listed on One World Identity’s Top 100 People for 2017.  He received an Sc.B. from Brown University in Biology and Theatre, and worked professionally as a dramaturg and director after college.

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We have great episodes coming up. We’ve recorded a second show with the outgoing Chairman of the CFTC, Chris Giancarlo -- one of the most thought-provoking we’ve ever done on the future of financial regulation. We also have a second show with Karen Mills of Harvard Business School, who has a new book out on fintech and small business. We have episodes coming up the Gary Schifman of Giant Oak; Dale Nirvani Pfeifer of Goodworld; Vinny Lingham of Civic; and Ida Rademacher of the Aspen Institute alongside Jamie Kalamarides of Prudential.  And in London last month, I recorded a wonderful conversation with thought-leader and uber-blogger, the great Chris Skinner.

We also have a fascinating conversation that we recorded in April from the expo hall at LendIt, which erected a special stage for podcasters, and where I sat down to talk with the cofounders of Kabbage, Rob Frohwein and Kathryn Petralia. And there’s much more in the queue.

I’m excited to say we are also coming up to our 100th episode. We’re planning something extra special for that milestone!

I’ll be speaking at quite a few private events this spring. If you’re interested in booking me, contact jay@provokemanagement.com. Some of the public places I’m going to be are:

IIF Digital Finance Symposium, May 29, Washington, DC

American Banker Association’s Regulatory Compliance Conference, June 9-12, New Orleans, LA

Bank Director's Bank Audit & Risk Committees Conference, June 12, Chicago, IL

Money 2020, October 27-30, Las Vegas, NV -- I’ll be keynoting the regulatory day and also chairing it again this year -- and I’m happy to say that this year it will be on Tuesday, not Sunday!

I’ll hope to see you there!

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Counselor to the Secretary of the Treasury, Craig Phillips

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Our conversations on Barefoot Innovation always grapple with the regulatory challenges arising as technology transforms finance. Most of our guests have good ideas about this, but very few are in a position to make things happen. Today’s guest is different.

He is Craig Phillips, who is the Counselor to the US Secretary of the Treasury, Steven Mnuchin. The Counselor role spans everything from fiscal operations to America’s debt management, but for our audience he is best-known for leading the office that issued last year’s landmark Treasury report on fintech.

The fintech report was part of the Trump Administration’s larger review of the US financial regulatory framework, which in turn ties into the Counselor’s remit in aligning innovation and technology with a pro-growth economic policy. The financial review project has also produced three other papers: Banks and Credit Unions, Capital Markets, and Asset Management.

The reports have all been excellent, and the fintech one, in particular, has been very widely acclaimed for its comprehensive scope, thoughtful analysis, and concrete recommendations. If you haven’t read it, I strongly commend it to you. If you have, you will find this discussion really interesting not only in hearing Counselor Phillips’ thoughts on the key issues, but also in updating us on progress and plans since the report came out last year.

As he notes, the US has the world’s largest economy, is growing rapidly, and has enviable strengths in technology innovation, and yet, we face real challenges in financial innovation. These trace directly to our uniquely complex regulatory framework, which has multiple federal regulatory agencies in addition to those in the 50 states.

Among other things, this complexity makes it difficult to move quickly, which is exactly what regulators will increasingly need to be able to do as technology-driven change continues to accelerate, leaving policymakers and regulators ever-more challenged to keep up.

Much of the solution on regulatory velocity centers on making the system more nimble and efficient. In our conversation, we talk about methods for doing that. One is the Comptroller of the Currency’s proposal to create a special national bank charter for those fintechs that would prefer a national charter over state-by-state licencing. Another strategy aims to increase interagency coordination and rationalizing and dovetailing of roles. And another is Treasury’s strong support for agencies using so-called “sandboxes,” or labs or pilots, that enable them to accelerate their own learning curves and industry feedback loops by creating controlled, contained testing environments, much as the private sector does when it undertakes innovation.

(In that vein, between the time we recorded this discussion and the time we are posting it, the OCC released its request for public comment on its approach to this testing objective, which is to create a program that will run pilot projects. They are hoping for extensive input. Here is that link.)

Beyond the regulatory agility issues, today’s conversation covers a lot of ground, from digital identity to data aggregation, to use of artificial intelligence, APIs and cloud computing, to regulation of credit reporting, to data vulnerability and the possibility of federal legislation requiring consumer notification on data breaches.

We also spoke about blockchains and distributed ledger technology. These were not included in Treasury’s fintech report, and in our conversation, Counselor Phillips shares updated information on how the Administration is viewing regulation of these emerging products and markets, including through coordination of the SEC and CFTC.

Links

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Treasury Releases Report on Nonbank Financials, Fintech, and Innovation

Barefoot Innovation Podcast: Banks and Community: CSBS President John Ryan CSBS

Barefoot Innovation Podcast: From Analog to Digital Regulation - CFTC Acting Chairman Christopher Giancarlo


More on Craig Phillips

Mr. Phillips joined the Treasury in January 2017 and serves as Counselor to the Secretary. He assists the Secretary in a range of matters including domestic finance, domestic financial institution policy and housing finance policy and regulatory reform.

Since 2008 Mr. Phillips served as a Managing Director and Member of the Global Operating Committee of BlackRock, Inc. Mr. Phillips was the global head of the Financial Markets Advisory Group in BlackRock Solutions, which provided analytical and risk consulting services to a wide range of private and public sector organizations globally. Clients included central banks, banking supervisors and multilateral organizations around the world.

Mr. Phillips previously held leadership positions at Morgan Stanley and Credit Suisse First Boston, where he managed global securitized product platforms.

Mr. Phillips holds a BA in Economics and Business Administration from Vanderbilt University.

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We have great episodes coming up. We’ve talked with the outgoing Chairman of the CFTC, Chris Giancarlo -- his second show with us and one of the most thought-provoking we’ve ever done on the future of financial regulation. We have shows coming up with MIT’s David Shrier; Gary Shiffman of Giant Oak; and Karen Mills of Harvard Business School, who has a new book out on fintech and small business. We’ll also talk with Dale Nirvani Pfeifer of Goodworld; Vinny Lingham of Civic; and Ida Rademacher of the Aspen Institute alongside Jamie Kalamarides of Prudential.  And in London last month, I recorded a wonderful conversation with thought-leader and uber-blogger, with the great Chris Skinner.

In addition, we’ll have a fascinating conversation we recorded in April from the floor of the expo hall at LendIt, which erected a special stage for podcasters, and where I sat down to talk with the cofounders of Kabbage, Rob Frohwein and Kathryn Petralia.

I also had the pleasure of being a podcast guest while at LendIt -- I was interviewed by Zach Pettet, VP of Fintech Strategy at NBKC Bank for his new podcast For Fintech’s Sake, which I must say is a great format. Zach asked me many questions that have never come up in interviews before, and the conversation was tremendous fun. Everyone should subscribe to the show.

Finally, guess what -- we’re coming up to our 100th episode on Barefoot Innovation. We’re planning something extra special for that milestone!

Some of the forums where I’ll be speaking this year include:

Comply 2019, May 14-15, New York, NY

International Organization of Supreme Audit Institutions, GAO/INTOSAI Annual Meeting on Financial Modernization and Regulatory Reform, May 16, Washington, DC

Bank Director's Bank Audit & Risk Committees Conference, June 12, Chicago, IL

American Banker Association’s Regulatory Compliance Conference, June 9-12, New Orleans, LA

And I’m pleased to say I’ll be chairing the regulatory track again this year at Money 2020, in October in Las Vegas. I’m also very pleased to say they have moved it from Sunday, as in the past, to Tuesday. It’s not too early to make plans to come.

I’ll also be speaking at quite a few private events this spring. If you’re interested in booking me, you can contact jay@provokemanagement.com.

I’ll hope to see you soon!

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Prince Michael of Liechtenstein: Imagining Finance in 2030

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Bill Gates famously said, “We always overestimate the change that will occur in the next two years and underestimate the change that will occur in the next ten. Don't let yourself be lulled into inaction.”

That gets quoted often these days, because it so well captures the times we live in.

In that vein, it was a special pleasure to be invited recently to a roundtable aimed at envisioning the financial system of 2030. The event was the second in a series hosted by Prince Michael of Liechtenstein, a three day conversation with incredibly thoughtful people drawn from banks, fintech companies, cryptocurrency, global NGOs, technologists, and regulators, from all over the world. It was organized by Dr. Thomas Puschmann, Director of the Swiss FinTech Innovation Lab at the University of Zurich.

We were in the historic and picturesque city of Vaduz, the capital of the Principality of Liechtenstein. It was my first trip there, and a thrill to see the Alps and the Rhine Valley. We met in a graceful rustic building with a big fireplace and a balcony overlooking the snowy mountainside. It was there, during a lunch break, that I had a chance to sit down with Prince Michael, to talk about how he sees the future.

He shared insights across a wide range of topics, from macroeconomics to demographics to how aging populations will finance pensions and rising healthcare costs.  We talked about blockchains and cryptocurrency. We talked about privacy -- the new European Data Protection Regulation, or GDPR, and what it will mean for financial innovation and consumer protection. And of course, we talked about the extraordinary challenge facing regulators, who will be expected to enable all the good innovation to flourish and to prevent all the possible harm -- a goal that Prince Michael notes is actually impossible. I especially appreciated his observation that when things go wrong, the regulators will get the blame and when things go right, they will not likely get any credit. It’s a tough job.

On Saturday evening, our little group climbed a steep path through the princely vineyard Herawingert to have dinner at the restaurant Torkel, which has been owned by the Liechtenstein family since 1712. The interior is dominated by an enormous old wooden wine press and one of the largest Torkel trees in Europe. As we enjoyed our first course, Prince Michael rose to share some of the long history of Liechtenstein. It’s a small country, strategically situated in the mountains between Austria and Germany to the north and east, and Italy to the south. Buffeted by shifting power alignments over the centuries, the country developed a close alignment with its western neighbor, Switzerland (we flew into Zurich), and built a diverse economy rooted in the ability to adapt to change. Our gathering was steeped in this rich history, and it proved to be a perfect backdrop to our efforts to envision the high-tech future of finance ten years out.

Prince Michael thinks this future will be a good one -- better than what we have today. I share his optimism, and more so after spending time with this remarkable group of leaders and thinkers.

Links

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www.iuf.li

www.gisreportsonline.com

www.gisadvisory.com

More About Prince Michael

Prince Michael is an entrepreneur and financier. He is President of the European Center of Austrian Economics Foundation and President at Industrie- und Finanzkontor. He studied commerce at the Vienna University of Economics and Business.

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I hope you enjoyed today’s show. Remember to leave us a five-star rating on your podcast platform so we can help more listeners find the show. Also come to our website to subscribe to Barefoot Innovation -- the newsletter, podcast and updates, and please follow me on Twitter, LinkedIn, and Facebook.

We have great episodes coming up. We’ve talked with Counselor to the Secretary of the Treasury, Craig Phillips; with the outgoing Chairman of the CFTC, Chris Giancarlo -- his second show with us; MIT’s David Shrier; and Gary Shiffman of Giant Oak. We’ll talk with Dale Nirvani Pfeifer of Goodworld; Vinny Lingham of Civic; Karen Mills with Harvard; as well as Ida Rademacher with Aspen Institute alongside Jamie Kalamarides with Prudential.  We also have a fascinating conversation that we recorded this month from the expo hall at LendIt, which erected a special stage for podcasters, and where I sat down to talk with the cofounders of Kabbage, Rob Frohwein and Kathryn Petralia. And there’s much more in the queue.

I also got the chance to be a podcast guest while at LendIt -- I was interviewed by Zach Pettet, VP of Fintech Strategy at NBKC Bank for his podcast For Fintech’s Sake. Check it out!

And guess what -- we’re coming up to our 100th episode. We’re planning something extra special for that milestone!

I’ll be speaking at quite a few private events this spring. If you’re interested in booking me, contact jay@provokemanagement.com. Some of the public places I’ll hope to see our listeners include:

The Innovate Finance Global Summit, April 29-20, London

Comply 2019, May 14-15, New York, NY

GAO/INTOSAI Annual Meeting on Financial Modernization and Regulatory Reform, May 16, Washington, DC

Bank Director's Bank Audit & Risk Committees Conference, June 12, Chicago, IL

American Banker Association’s Regulatory Compliance Conference, June 9-12, New Orleans, LA

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The views and opinions expressed during the Barefoot Innovation podcast series are solely those of the individuals involved and do not necessarily represent those of Barefoot Innovation Group and its employees. Barefoot Innovation Group does not verify for accuracy the information contained in the podcast series. The primary purpose of this podcast series is to educate and inform.

A New Breed of Community Bank: My Fun and Fascinating Conversation with NBKC

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If you’re ready for a breath of fresh air, today’s show is for you. It’s fun, it’s fascinating, and it’s filled to the brim with ideas that many of us haven’t heard before.

NBKC bank is a community bank that thinks and acts like a start-up company.  My guests are its CEO, Brian Unruh, and Zach Pettet, who is the bank’s Fintech Strategist and who heads its Fountain City Fintech affiliate, which is the first “partnership accelerator” run by a community bank.

We were nowhere near Silicon Valley or New York, or London, or Singapore. The KC in NBKC stands for Kansas City. That’s in Missouri. As our US listeners know, that’s in the American midwest, the heartland. It’s more than a thousand miles from either the Pacific coast or the Atlantic coast. And the bank isn’t big, as banks go. It isn’t new, either. It’s been there for a long time.

And yet, and yet, NBKC is completely overhauling its business model, its strategy, its culture, and its future, for the digital age. And in the process, as our conversation clearly shows, they are having a very good time.

Part of their strategy is that they’ve joined the growing ranks of partner banks that are supporting fintechs. Some time back, we did an episode with Gilles Gade, CEO of Cross River Bank, which is a leader in that space as well. NBKC has developed an original format for this work, by launching a fintech accelerator as part of the strategy. Zach explains that he talked with about 150 start-ups within the first few months in his role. Part of what he heard were what he and Brian call the “horror stories” of start-ups trying to work with large banks. Big bank diligence and onboarding processes often leave these companies waiting a year or more for approval, while their capital dwindles and their runway disappears. (We’ve done two shows with large bank accelerators that are also working on this challenge). At Fountain City, NBKC is solving it with the accelerator. It enables them to attract the most interesting companies, understand them quickly, help them address any weaknesses, and either move them into a partnership relationship or, alternatively, reject them, especially if the company doesn’t take regulatory mandates seriously. Zach takes pride in getting to no very rapidly, if no is going to be the answer, to conserve innovators’ precious time.

We talked about their 2018 cohort in the accelerator, and what they are looking for in their next round -- again, they’ve been partnering with some of the most exciting companies in the space. They share extensively about how they designed and run the program, with help from a law firm and in consultation with their regulators. Brian attributes their success in this to the bank’s transparency about what they are trying to accomplish, and to their authenticity in working with these partners.

One fun fact -- Zach has recently launched a podcast show of his own, called For Fintech’s Sake, and has asked me to be a guest on it. So be sure to watch for that and follow his show.

Brian says NBKC has always been entrepreneurial. They actually banned traditional banking conferences for their executives a while back, in favor of attending technology conferences like Finovate. I laughed out loud at their description of what goes through their minds when they see someone at the bank wearing a suit.

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Finovate

Fountain City Fintech

NBKC.com

Barefoot Innovation Podcast: How to Digitize a Bank: Citizen’s Lamont Young

Barefoot Innovation Podcast: Innovation at a Small Bank: Radius CEO Mike Butler

Barefoot Innovation Podcast: Innovation and Community Banks: Eastern Bank CEO Bob Rivers

Onward

American Banker Article: What This Community Bank Learned From Its Fintech Accelerator

Twitter: @brianunruh @zachpettet

Emails:  zach.pettet@NBKC.com, brian.unruh@nbkc.com

More on Brian Unruh - Co-founder of NBKC 20 years ago

More on Zach Pettet

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I hope you enjoyed today’s show. Remember to leave us a five-star rating on your podcast platform so we can help more listeners find the show. Also come to our website to subscribe to Barefoot Innovation -- the newsletter, podcast and updates, and please follow me on Twitter, LinkedIn, and Facebook.

We have great episodes coming up. We have an amazing conversation with Prince Michael of Liechtenstein. We recorded with Rob Frohwein and Kathryn Petralia of Kabbage at LendIt. We’re talking with Counselor to the Secretary of the Treasury, Craig Phillips, and with the outgoing Chairman of the CFTC, Chris Giancarlo -- his second show with us. We’ll talk with MIT’s David Shrier; with Gary Shiffman of Giant Oak; with Dale Nirvani Pfeifer of Goodworld; Vinny Lingham of Civic; Karen Mills with Harvard, as well as the Aspen Institute and Prudential.  

And guess what -- we’re coming up to our 100th episode. We’re planning something extra special for that milestone!

I’ll be speaking at quite a few private events this spring. If you’re interested in booking me, contact jay@provokemanagement.com.  Some of the public places I’ll hope to see our listeners include:

LendIt FinTech USA, April 8-9, San Francisco, CA -- I’ll be on the main stage doing a fireside chat with CFPB Innovation head Paul Watkins and outgoing head of the California Department of Business Oversight, Jan Owen.

Santa Fe Group’s 12th Annual Shared Assessments Third Party Risk Summit, April 10-11, Washington, DC

The Innovate Finance Global Summit, April 29-30, London

Comply 2019, May 14-15, New York, NY

Bank Director's Bank Audit & Risk Committees Conference, June 12, Chicago, IL

American Banker Association’s Regulatory Compliance Conference, June 9-12, New Orleans, LA

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The views and opinions expressed during the Barefoot Innovation podcast series are solely those of the individuals involved and do not necessarily represent those of Barefoot Innovation Group and its employees. Barefoot Innovation Group does not verify for accuracy the information contained in the podcast series. The primary purpose of this podcast series is to educate and inform.

Bonus Episode: Futurist Brett King

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Today’s show is a bonus episode, and an extra-special one, because I sat down with my friend, the futurist and financial technology guru Brett King.

This is our second show with Brett -- we also had one we recorded over a delightful breakfast in London a while back. We wanted to talk again because he’s put out his new book, Bank 4.0, for which I co-wrote the chapter on financial regulation. We made that chapter 2 of the book, right after the opening, because regulation has become absolutely central to the question of whether technology is going to make banking better, or worse, than what we have today.

This time, Brett and I sat down on a wet afternoon in New York. Limited only by the time we had, we talked about pretty much everything.

Brett has done deep research on technology, reaching far beyond the financial field to understand the big forces of change and where they will take us. He’s a fintech founder himself, having launched Moven a few years back. And he also travels the world -- he’s in huge global demand as a speech-maker (by the way, we also share a speakers’ bureau that Brett set up, which represents a number of us who speak widely on financial tech). He has all-encompassing scope and depth, plus insight, plus Australian wit, that make him completely unique.

In our talk, Brett goes to the big truths, the ones people overlook or underestimate. He says these tech changes are coming, whether we’re ready or not, whether we want them or not.  He says it just will not work for banks to try to update outmoded products and processes by sticking some new technology on top of them -- that in most cases, it is absolutely necessary to start over from scratch. (In my work on regtech, we call this being “digitally-native.”)  He says financial services won’t be about products anymore but instead, like everything in our tech-centered world, will be about the customer’s “experiences.” He talks about the role of voice technology. He talks about how privacy concerns ebb and flow over time, and how we should be thinking of different types of data in different ways. We talk about the urgent need to update the world’s “identity infrastructure” both to enable financial access and to protect ourselves. We talked about how AI will shift the economy’s basic supply and demand curve, and also how it will change labor markets and income inequality. Brett is a pessimist on the latter and advocates for bold public policy overhaul.

Brett has spent a lot of time in China and -- no surprise -- says its financial system is far ahead of the West. He notes that $22 trillion in mobile payments moved through China's ecosystem last year -- more than the aggregate of all the card companies for the entire world. Listeners everywhere need to understand the breathtaking size and speed of the financial transformation in China, which is essentially 100% mobile, and which is expanding in Asia and to other parts of the world. We should not lose sight of the fact that the unprecedented growth of these goliaths, like Ant Financial and Alipay, and Tencent’s WeChat, is happening partly because they did, in fact, start from scratch.

Brett is a storyteller, and the new book reflects it. He shares a narrative that contains a lot I didn’t know about Jack Ma, the founder of Alibaba and Ant Financial in China. There’s also a gripping story in the first chapter on the atomic physicist, Wernher von Braun. The book is a page turner, as are Brett’s previous books (see the links below).

Of course, Barefoot Innovation being what it is, we also talked about regulation. Again, we co-wrote the new book’s regulatory chapter, arguing that financial regulation is going to change profoundly, and sharing our views on what shape this must take.

Brett focuses on a barrier I encounter all the time, which is that bankers can see that tech will change their businesses, but they have no idea where to start to try to “transform.” He has concrete advice. He says, just take your top five customer interactions, and try building them again completely from scratch. Design them again, using today’s technology, with absolutely no bias about how you do things now. You will not only create some superior products, but you’ll begin to learn how to innovate, and therefore how to compete in the digital market.

I should mention that Brett is a member of the board of directors of the Center for Financial Services Innovation, which I chair. We are so fortunate to have his wise counsel at CFSI, and I’m happy to be able to share this bonus episode today.

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Brett King’s Books:

Bank 4.0

Augmented

Breaking Banks

Bank 3.0

Bank 2.0

Barefoot Innovation Podcast - Breakfast with the Best - Brett King

Barefoot Innovation Podcast - Regulation Revolution: The Financial Conduct Authority and Digitally Native Regulatory Design

Barefoot Innovation Podcast - The Future of Regulation: The FCA’s Regtech Leader Nick Cook

Barefoot Innovation Podcast - Try Something New: Lend Academy and Lendit Founder Peter Renton

CFSInnovation.org

Brettking.com

Moven.com

Provokemanagement.com

Breakingbanks.com

Twitter @brettking

More about Brett King

Brett King is a futurist, an Amazon bestselling author, an award winning speaker, host of a globally recognized radio show, and CEO of Moven. In his spare time enjoys flying as an IFR pilot, scuba diving, motor racing, and gaming (mostly FPS) and Sci-Fi. He advised the Obama administration on the Future of Banking, and has spoken on the future in 50 countries in the last 3 years.

Brett focuses on how technology is disrupting business, changing behaviour and influencing society. He has fronted TED conferences and given opening keynotes for Wired, Singularity University’s Exponential Finance,The Economist, SIBOS and many more. He appears as a commentator on CNBC and has appeared regularly on the likes of BBC, ABC, FOX, Bloomberg and more.

He is the CEO and Founder of Moven, a $200m mobile bank start-up with the world’s first smart bank account. Moven’s app is used around the globe by over a million people. Brett’s radio show, Breaking Banks, began in May 2013. It was the first global show and podcast on FinTech, and has grown to be the most popular with an audience in 177 countries and 6.5 million listeners.

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Please leave us a five-star rating on your podcast platform so we can help more listeners find the show, and also come to our website to subscribe to Barefoot Innovation -- the newsletter, podcast and updates, and follow me on Twitter, LinkedIn, and Facebook.

We have great episodes coming up. We will talk with MIT’s David Shrier. I’ll have a terrific discussion with the fascinating community bank, NBKC. We’ll have a show with Counselor to the Secretary of the Treasury, Craig Phillips, and one with the outgoing Chairman of the CFTC, Chris Giancarlo. We have a fascinating conversation with Gary Shiffman of Giant Oak. And we’ll have an amazing conversation with Prince Michael of Liechtenstein.

Some of the places I’ll be this spring include:

Alliance for Financial Inclusion’s 17th Consumer Empowerment & Market Conduct (CEMC) and Digital Financial Services (DFS) Group Meeting in Nassau, Bahamas (invitation only)

LendIt FinTech USA, April 9-10, San Francisco, CA

Santa Fe Group’s 12th Annual Shared Assessments Third Party Risk Summit, April 10-11, Washington, DC

The Innovate Finance Global Summit, April 29-20, London

Bank Director's Bank Audit & Risk Committees Conference, June 12, Chicago, IL

American Banker Association’s Regulatory Compliance Conference, June 9-12, New Orleans, LA

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Talking Cryptocurrency with Brian Brooks of Coinbase

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I have a real treat for you today. Brian Brooks is the Chief Legal Officer of Coinbase and is also one of the smartest and most thoughtful people anywhere in the financial world. His past roles include being General Counsel at Fannie Mae and Vice Chairman of OneWest Bank, where he worked with both now-Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin and now-Comptroller of the Currency Joseph Otting. If his name seems familiar, it may be because he was in headlines a while back as a short-list candidate to be Deputy Treasury Secretary, or Director of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, or White House Counsel.

Instead, Brian headed to the other coast, plunging into San Francisco’s crypto world at Coinbase, the world’s largest cryptocurrency exchange. That’s where we sat down for this talk. It showcases his gift for making the crypto world clear for those who don’t follow it closely, and also his gift for provoking really stimulating ideas among those who do.

In our conversation, Brian explains the distinct types of cryptocurrencies and crypto exchanges, in the US and globally. He describes the efforts underway to build infrastructure for the crypto world as an alternative payments channel in which crypto can function like an internet of value -- a universal, free, instant, decentralized payments system. Brian describes the scenario -- imagine if he could pay me with no bank involved, just sending me currency from his phone to my phone, with no one taking a cut, and no delay -- instantaneous payment. And imagine if he could attach features to the payment that a regular check or a wire transfer wouldn’t have. Again, it can be instant, and can reach anyone, and be essentially free -- like the internet.

Brian also shares thoughts on the regulatory challenges with this technology, which just doesn’t fit neatly into the old regulatory boxes. We discuss how, or even whether, to regulate crypto’s various forms, depending on whether it’s functioning like a security, a currency, or something else.  He talks about how regulators look at this world through their own lenses and all want a piece of it. He asks if it makes sense to try to address it using standards like the 60 year old Supreme Court ruling that produced the Howey test.

Brian points out that there will soon be a Treasury report on crypto and blockchain, which may be a breakthrough in this regulatory thinking. He also sees a breakthrough in the recent emergence of the “stable coin,” in which every unit is backed by a dollar so that its value doesn’t fluctuate. And he predicts that agencies are going to be using crypto to do their “day jobs.”

We also talk about the contrast in what’s happening in highly-regulated countries and those with few rules -- and the fact that crypto is available from places that are not regulated has risen from basically 0% market share a couple of years ago to roughly half today, which says something about the regulatory climate in the United States, for good or ill. We discuss how cryptocurrency could help solve inflationary crises and currency volatility in many economies. And we discuss how, contrary to conventional wisdom, it can also help fight money laundering, since it’s far more traceable than cash.

Brian argues that we can’t regulate cryptocurrency like we’ve regulated anything in the past -- that we need new models. This is an issue that is on my mind a lot these days -- whether to create regulatory or quasi-regulatory standards bodies that sit outside the regulatory agencies, maybe something like ICANN’s governance of internet domains. I think we’re going to need these, not just for crypto but for a lot of regulatory modernization. We’ll have more on that issue in future shows.

Here are two past episodes that also dealt with crypto -- one with Chris Larsen, chairman of Ripple, and one with Jeremy Allaire, CEO of Circle.

Brian reminds us that the internet looked like a small, niche activity in 1992...and then it changed everything about how we live. Cryptocurrency is small today, but it has huge potential. This is one of our shows that is just dense with high-value ideas. I predict many people will listen more than once!

Links

Link to full transcription

Coinbase.com

LinkedIn  

NY Times Article, America Could Lead the Transition to a Digital Currency

Barefoot Innovation Podcast: Transforming Payments: Circle CEO Jeremy Allaire

Barefoot Innovation Podcast:  Remaking the Financial Rails: Ripple CEO Chris Larsen

More on Brian Brooks

Brian is a noted financial services lawyer with a record of leadership in innovation and in crisis turnarounds. He has had senior roles at O'Melveny & Myers, where he chaired the firm's financial services practice; OneWest Bank, where he was Vice Chairman and worked with future Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin and future Comptroller of the Currency Joseph Otting to turn around the failed Indymac Bank platform; Fannie Mae, where he served as general counsel and helped create Fannie Mae's fintech platform; and Coinbase, where he is currently chief legal officer.  Brian also serves as a member of the board of directors of Avant Inc., a multibillion dollar marketplace lender; as an advisor of Spring Labs, a blockchain-based consumer loan registry and credit bureau platform; as a seed investor in Grasshopper Bancorp; and as a Series A investor in FlyHomes Inc. He is also a board member of FinRegLab and has been prominently mentioned as a shortlist candidate to be Deputy Treasury Secretary, Director of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, and White House Counsel.

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We have great episodes coming up. One is with Prince Michael of Liechtenstein, which we recorded at the roundtable he hosted in Vaduz on envisioning the financial services world of 2030. We’ll talk with MIT’s David Shrier. We’ll have a terrific discussion with the fascinating community bank, NBKC. We’ll have a show with  Counselor to the Secretary of the Treasury, Craig Phillips, and one with the Chairman of the CFTC, Chris Giancarlo, both of which will deal with crypto issues, among other things. We have a show coming up with futurist Brett King on his new book, Bank 4.0, for which I co-wrote the regulatory chapter. And we have a fascinating conversation with Gary Shiffman of Giant Oak.

Some of the places I’ll be this spring include:

UNC Law's Banking Institute, presenting the Clifford Lecture this week, in Charlotte, NC

Alliance for Financial Inclusion’s 17th Consumer Empowerment & Market Conduct (CEMC) and Digital Financial Services (DFS) Working Group Meeting  in Nassau, Bahamas (invitation only)

LendIt FinTech USA, April 9-10, San Francisco, CA

Santa Fe Group’s 12th Annual Shared Assessments Third Party Risk Summit, April 10-11, Washington, DC

The Innovate Finance Global Summit, April 29-20, London

Bank Director's Bank Audit & Risk Committees Conference, June 12, Chicago, IL

American Banker Association’s Regulatory Compliance Conference, June 9-12, New Orleans, LA


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The views and opinions expressed during the Barefoot Innovation podcast series are solely those of the individuals involved and do not necessarily represent those of Barefoot Innovation Group and its employees. Barefoot Innovation Group does not verify for accuracy the information contained in the podcast series. The primary purpose of this podcast series is to educate and inform.